Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #49447
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:58:12 -0500
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Actually, it is Greg but it’s disguised as a “D”.

 

 If you are using outlook express what you do is Type a letter “D”.  Then highlight the “D” and got to format on the menu bar and select fonts.  The select the font type SYMBOL and click OK and vola  the D gets transformed. 

 

D = D

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:46 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo

 

Hey Ed'

How come that there triangle thingy ain't on my keyboard??........(:-)

Greg Ward

Lancair 20B N178RG, struggling to get airborne

----- Original Message -----

From: Ed Anderson

Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:24 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo

 

I think while there are lot of Nifty looking gadgets out there, you need to keep in mind that what may work well for a piston engine in cooling oil may not for the rotary.  The basic reason is the rotary dumps approx 1/3 of its total waste heat load (not counting exhaust heat) through the oil.  In fact, you can calculate the approx BTU you must get rid of through the oil.

 

A 13B turning 6500 rpm with an 12.65 (best power) air fuel ratio will be flowing approx 16.1 gallons per hour.  This equates to needing to get rid of approx  2650 BTU/MIN of waste heat  through the oil cooler.  Now using the old heat transfer  equation  Q = BTU, M = mass flow and Dt = temp difference, cp (air = 0.25)

Q = M*Dt*cp  and assuming you heat up the air so that it exits 100 deg F hotter than it went into the cooler, then solving for the air mass M required =  Q/ Dt*cp  = 2650 /100*0.25 = 106 lbms/min or 106 pounds of air per minute.

 

A cubic foot of air at sea level = approx 0.0765 lb/cubic foot.  So to get 106 lbms/min you need to have 106/0.0765

= 1385 CFM of air flow through the oil cooler.  Now that is a sizeable amount of air required just for the oil cooler at a modest power output of 160 HP. 

 

My point, is that, before you go spending your money and adding weight and complexity to your installation, sit down and determine what each element will do for you and whether it is really worth the money and weight.

 

My person opinion is that it is hard to beat the efficiency of a well position oil cooler with adequate airflow through it.

 

But, just my opinion.  Certainly there are cases where a small cooling  assist might make the difference and these things might make the difference.  In some cases, space precludes the idea solution and in that case oil/water heat exchangers and other methods are called for.  

 

But, if you are in the planning stages, my suggestion is strive to get the right sized oil cooler positioned with good air flow.

 

Ed

 

 

 

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of william singer
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:51 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo

 

Modine makes such coolers.  My Ford Thunderbirds (89 to95) have them.  wiliam singer

----- Original Message -----

From: sboese

Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:26 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo

 

Our 1992 Honda Accord EX Wagon has a oil to water heat exchanger that is sandwiched between the oil filter and the engine block.  It is about 2” thick, the same diameter as the filter, and mounts with a longer hollow stud than would be used to mount the filter directly to the block.  I have no idea of its capacity.

 

Steve Boese

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Mann
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:03 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo

 

….does anyone know of an oil filter mount that includes a heat exchanger?

 

T Mann



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