X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: <gregw@onestopdesign.biz> Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTP id 4028580 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:40:31 -0500 Received-SPF: error receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.64; envelope-from=gregw@onestopdesign.biz Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JpL31d0040QkzPwA7pfvR4; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:39:55 +0000 Received: from gregiv ([24.6.75.252]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Jpfu1d0025ScAtC8Npfu1Z; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:39:54 +0000 Message-ID: <41C37E6E377845229D3A4770A838832C@yosemite.onestopdesign.biz> From: "Greg Ward" <gregw@onestopdesign.biz> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> References: <list-4028546@logan.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:45:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0E64_01CA8009.E9EFD370" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0E64_01CA8009.E9EFD370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Ed' How come that there triangle thingy ain't on my keyboard??........(:-) Greg Ward Lancair 20B N178RG, struggling to get airborne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo=20 I think while there are lot of Nifty looking gadgets out there, you = need to keep in mind that what may work well for a piston engine in = cooling oil may not for the rotary. The basic reason is the rotary = dumps approx 1/3 of its total waste heat load (not counting exhaust = heat) through the oil. In fact, you can calculate the approx BTU you = must get rid of through the oil. =20 A 13B turning 6500 rpm with an 12.65 (best power) air fuel ratio will = be flowing approx 16.1 gallons per hour. This equates to needing to get = rid of approx 2650 BTU/MIN of waste heat through the oil cooler. Now = using the old heat transfer equation Q =3D BTU, M =3D mass flow and Dt = =3D temp difference, cp (air =3D 0.25) Q =3D M*Dt*cp and assuming you heat up the air so that it exits 100 = deg F hotter than it went into the cooler, then solving for the air mass = M required =3D Q/ Dt*cp =3D 2650 /100*0.25 =3D 106 lbms/min or 106 = pounds of air per minute. =20 A cubic foot of air at sea level =3D approx 0.0765 lb/cubic foot. So = to get 106 lbms/min you need to have 106/0.0765 =3D 1385 CFM of air flow through the oil cooler. Now that is a = sizeable amount of air required just for the oil cooler at a modest = power output of 160 HP. =20 =20 My point, is that, before you go spending your money and adding weight = and complexity to your installation, sit down and determine what each = element will do for you and whether it is really worth the money and = weight. =20 My person opinion is that it is hard to beat the efficiency of a well = position oil cooler with adequate airflow through it. =20 But, just my opinion. Certainly there are cases where a small cooling = assist might make the difference and these things might make the = difference. In some cases, space precludes the idea solution and in = that case oil/water heat exchangers and other methods are called for. =20 =20 But, if you are in the planning stages, my suggestion is strive to get = the right sized oil cooler positioned with good air flow. =20 Ed =20 =20 =20 =20 Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of william singer Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:51 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo=20 =20 Modine makes such coolers. My Ford Thunderbirds (89 to95) have them. = wiliam singer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: sboese=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo=20 =20 Our 1992 Honda Accord EX Wagon has a oil to water heat exchanger = that is sandwiched between the oil filter and the engine block. It is = about 2=94 thick, the same diameter as the filter, and mounts with a = longer hollow stud than would be used to mount the filter directly to = the block. I have no idea of its capacity. =20 Steve Boese =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Thomas Mann Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:03 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo=20 =20 =85.does anyone know of an oil filter mount that includes a heat = exchanger? =20 T Mann __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus = signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_0E64_01CA8009.E9EFD370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:q =3D=20 "http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" xmlns:rtc =3D=20 "http://microsoft.com/officenet/conferencing" XMLNS:Repl =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/repl/" xmlns:mt =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/meetings/" xmlns:x2 =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/excel/2003/xml" xmlns:ppda =3D=20 "http://www.passport.com/NameSpace.xsd" xmlns:ois =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/ois/" xmlns:dir =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/directory/" xmlns:ds =3D=20 "http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#" xmlns:dsp =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/dsp" xmlns:udc =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc" xmlns:xsd =3D=20 "http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:sub =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/2002/1/alerts/" xmlns:ec = =3D=20 "http://www.w3.org/2001/04/xmlenc#" xmlns:sp =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/" xmlns:sps =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/" xmlns:xsi =3D=20 "http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:udcs =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/soap" xmlns:udcxf =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/xmlfile" xmlns:udcp2p =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/data/udc/parttopart" xmlns:st =3D "=01" = xmlns:st1 =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns:ns0 =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/workflow/" xmlns:ns1 =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/digsig-setup" xmlns:ns2 =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/digsig" xmlns:ns3 =3D=20 "http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/digital-signature" = xmlns:ns4 =3D=20 "http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/markup-compatibility/2006" xmlns:ns5 = =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns:ns6 =3D=20 "http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships" xmlns:ns7 = =3D=20 "http://microsoft.com/sharepoint/webpartpages" xmlns:ns8 =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/types" xmlns:ns9 = =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/exchange/services/2006/messages" = xmlns:ns10 =3D=20 "http://schemas.microsoft.com/sharepoint/soap/SlideLibrary/" xmlns:ns11 = =3D=20 "http://microsoft.com/webservices/SharePointPortalServer/PublishedLinksSe= rvice"=20 xmlns:ns12 =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:"><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; 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PADDING-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 dir=3Dltr> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Deanderson@carolina.rr.com = href=3D"mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com">Ed=20 Anderson</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dflyrotary@lancaironline.net=20 href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net">Rotary motors in = aircraft</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 18, 2009 = 5:24=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [FlyRotary] Re: = Radiator/Oil=20 Cooler Combo </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=3DSection1> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think = while there=20 are lot of Nifty looking gadgets out there, you need to keep in mind = that what=20 may work well for a piston engine in cooling oil may not for the = rotary. =20 The basic reason is the rotary dumps approx 1/3 of its total waste = heat load=20 (not counting exhaust heat) through the oil. In fact, you can = calculate=20 the approx BTU you must get rid of through the=20 oil.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">A 13B = turning 6500=20 rpm with an 12.65 (best power) air fuel ratio will be flowing approx = 16.1=20 gallons per hour. This equates to needing to get rid of approx=20 2650 BTU/MIN of waste heat through the oil cooler. = Now using=20 the old heat transfer equation Q =3D BTU, M =3D mass flow = and=20 </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D4 face=3DSymbol><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 14pt">D</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20 color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">t =3D temp = difference,=20 cp (air =3D 0.25)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Q =3D=20 M*</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D4 face=3DSymbol><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 14pt">D</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20 color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">t*cp = and=20 assuming you heat up the air so that it exits 100 deg F hotter than it = went=20 into the cooler, then solving for the air mass M required =3D Q/ = </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D4 face=3DSymbol><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 14pt">D</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20 color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">t*cp = =3D 2650=20 /100*0.25 =3D 106 lbms/min or 106 pounds of air per=20 minute.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">A cubic = foot of air=20 at sea level =3D approx 0.0765 lb/cubic foot. So to get 106 = lbms/min you=20 need to have 106/0.0765<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">=3D 1385 = CFM of air=20 flow through the oil cooler. Now that is a sizeable amount of = air=20 required just for the oil cooler at a modest power output of 160 = HP. =20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My point, = is that,=20 before you go spending your money and adding weight and complexity to = your=20 installation, sit down and determine what each element will do for you = and=20 whether it is really worth the money and = weight.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My person = opinion is=20 that it is hard to beat the efficiency of a well position oil cooler = with=20 adequate airflow through it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">But, just = my=20 opinion. Certainly there are cases where a small cooling = assist=20 might make the difference and these things might make the = difference. In=20 some cases, space precludes the idea solution and in that case = oil/water heat=20 exchangers and other methods are called for. =20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">But, if you = are in=20 the planning stages, my suggestion is strive to get the right sized = oil cooler=20 positioned with good air flow.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt">Ed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; 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FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20 size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt">=20 <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Rotary motors in aircraft</st1:PersonName> = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">On=20 Behalf Of </SPAN></B>william singer<BR><B><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, December 18, 2009 = 4:51=20 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> = <st1:PersonName=20 w:st=3D"on">Rotary motors in aircraft</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [FlyRotary] Re: = Radiator/Oil=20 Cooler Combo </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Modine makes such = coolers. =20 My Ford Thunderbirds (89 to95) have them. wiliam=20 singer</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; = PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; = PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; = PADDING-TOP: 0in"> <DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">----- Original Message = -----=20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV style=3D"font-color: black"> <P style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D2 = face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20 size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt"> <A=20 title=3Dsboese@uwyo.edu href=3D"mailto:sboese@uwyo.edu">sboese</A>=20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20 size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt"> <A=20 title=3Dflyrotary@lancaironline.net=20 href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net">Rotary motors in = aircraft</A>=20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20 size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt"> Friday,=20 December 18, 2009 10:26 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20 size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: = 10pt">=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Radiator/Oil Cooler Combo=20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Our 1992 = Honda=20 Accord EX Wagon has a oil to water heat exchanger that is sandwiched = between=20 the oil filter and the engine block. It is about 2=94 thick, = the same=20 diameter as the filter, and mounts with a longer hollow stud than = would be=20 used to mount the filter directly to the block. I have no idea = of its=20 capacity.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Steve=20 Boese</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 = face=3DTahoma><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original=20 Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20 <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Rotary motors in = aircraft</st1:PersonName>=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">On=20 Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Thomas Mann<BR><B><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, December 18, = 2009 9:03=20 AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> = <st1:PersonName=20 w:st=3D"on">Rotary motors in aircraft</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [FlyRotary] = Radiator/Oil=20 Cooler Combo </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy = size=3D2=20 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: = 11pt">=85.</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20 color=3D#1f497d size=3D2 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">does = anyone=20 know of an oil filter mount that includes a heat=20 exchanger?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT = color=3D#1f497d size=3D2=20 face=3DCalibri><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Calibri; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">T=20 Mann</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR>__________ Information from ESET = NOD32=20 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714)=20 __________<BR><BR>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 = Antivirus.<BR><BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.eset.com">http://www.eset.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></F= ONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0E64_01CA8009.E9EFD370--