Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #48526
From: George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: engine runup video
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:38:06 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 Mike,
No worries, just thought that revisiting some of the basics might help someone.
On the reflective type mufflers the trick is to reflect the sound waves ( which converts them to heat as they scrub the exhaust walls) - while maintaining free exhaust passage.
 
I don't know if Bill's and my design as well as we think it will, but it does cover those criteria simply using cone shaped deflectors in the area of exit of the exhaust. The trick is to not allow a 'direct line of sight' for the sound waves to follow to the exit.
 
We also cover heat issues by introducing cool air via the centre of the exhaust and into the space between the exhaust and outer skin. The outer skin also acting as a heat shield.
 
The process also incorporates exhaust  augmentation from the centre cool air when there is sufficient incoming air velocity and using the velocity of the exhaust itself to draw cool air through the outer skin.
 
Please remember this is not just my design but a collaborative attempt with a well respected engineer. Mind you it's not super light either, maybe using inconel but I haven't looked that that.
 
I'm still working on my single before I can prove or disprove the design - in the mean time I'm still building my shed.
George ( down under)
George,
 
Thanks. Read through it yesterday. Nothing too earth shattering here. What the article really didnt discuss and what I think is the major problem we face in aircraft which is less of a problem in a car is the need to get sufficient muffler volume. Finding space for a muffler that actually has sufficient volume to do any good on an airplane is problematic.
 
Havent yet seen the muffler that relies on "reflective" (aka passive cancellation) that really works. Tried a variety of them on various cars over the years, and of course the homebrewed "spiral flow" muffler on my airplane currently. Still waiting for someone to come up with one that actually works and will fit on my airplane.
 
Meanwhile I am intrigued by the absorptive design which I posted here the other day. Its the only thing I've seen that actually provides plenty of volume, appears to be capable of both muffling and lasting, and wont look too terrible. I'm thinking about trying to throw together something cheap and easy to try out before committing a bunch of time and effort.
 
Mike
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 11:38 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: engine runup video

Mike,
The address is right, but it didn't work when I tried it also.
What I did was use up to Miscellaneous on the address and clicked on exhaust etc on the LHS of the screen - OK.
George ( down under)
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Wills
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:45 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: engine runup video

That link didnt work for me George.
 
Mike
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:45 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: engine runup video

Mike,
Here's a good site for general info on mufflers, mine and Bill Jepson design is around deflection.
George ( down under)
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Wills
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:34 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] engine runup video

For anyone who hasnt had that first engine run and is looking for some motivation. A buddy visited the hangar a few weeks ago and shot some video of an engine runup. He posted it to his website and you can find it here:
 
 
This was shot right after I re-installed my original muffler after the aborted DNA muffler test. Noticeable in the video is the big staging bog. I had this tuned out about 15 minutes after he shot the video.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
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