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From: Chris Barber <cbarber1@texasattorney.net>
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:46:42 -0500
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Seepage, no more.  Oil system
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Not currently an issue since I am not flying.  Also, Houston in Oct is stil=
l pretty warm...well, it has dipped into the high 80's.  Other than that I =
think the velocity just has you open of close a flap to control temp in the=
 cabin.  You direct it into the cabin or it dumps out the bottom of the pla=
ne.

All the best,

Chris

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Rino [lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca]
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:04 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Seepage, no more.  Oil system

Chris,

How are you controlling the cabin temp. at the moment?

Rino
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes@qnsi.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:23 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Seepage, no more. Oil system


20 ft of tubing and oil sounds like lots of extra weight. Also don't
think cabin heat would be available when need. With cold OAT one oil
cooler should be excessive and the second cooler thermostat would be
closed.

Chris, how's your water temps? May be a small oil to water exchanger in
parallel like Al used would work better. It should be a much lighter
installation.

Bobby


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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of neilak@sympatico.ca
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:11 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Seepage, no more. Oil system

Dave

I think you're on to something here.  Chris has the coolers in
series but if the oil is cold (and thick), the Mazda cooler thermostat
bypasses the cooler core.  The front aircraft cooler doesn't have such a
thing so it takes the full brunt of oil pressure.

Chris

Putting to coolers in parallel will solve the pressure problem
but I doubt you will ever get sufficient flow to the front cooler to
make a decent cabin heater.  As Dave says...  path of least resistance.
Dave may have the right idea of a second thermal bypass device on the
front cooler path.  The second bypass device should probably be mounted
close to the engine so as to bypass the 20' of tubing as well as the
aircraft cooler.

NeilK

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:53 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Seepage, no more. Oil system

Chris Barber wrote:
>
> I do know the system was plumbed in series, however, my ignorance
> prevents me from knowing why re-plumbing them in parallel would change

> things.  Does plumbing in parallel prevent the front cooler from being

> a restriction point since oil can flow past the front cooler while
> still filling it with hot oil for cabin heating??? Hmm, not sure how I

> would plumb this.
>
Without a temperature bypass or manual shutoff valve placed on the front
cooler oil tubing, you may be re-visiting the current problem - cold
thick oil getting hammered down 22 feet round trip of 1/2" aluminum
tubing through a nose radiator.

Pressure follows the path of least resistance, so if the main mazda
cooler's vernitherm is open, bypassing that cooler, it may be a
non-issue.

I have no guarantee that vernitherming the nose cooler (at the firewall,
at the fittings) will not cause the current problem, but I feel
comfortable estimating that it is much less likely.

I'm not even sure theres a way to get a vernitherm off a mazda cooler
without messing it up.

Dave

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