X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3873118 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:43:55 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (sv1-1.per.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.68]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DF0173888 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:43:18 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D8D9BEC001 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:43:15 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <3576470825164590A03063446853E1A6@ownerf1fc517b8> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Zenith 801 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:43:19 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA4459.60989170" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091002-0, 10/02/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA4459.60989170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ben,=20 Didn't see it and although on this list we may not all agree we seem to = be much more tolerant of others ideas. Mind you the proof is always in = the pudding. On PL don't sweat it, it's aggravation you don't need. I have had exposure to some good ideas from the other list, but equally = I've had a lot of help from this list. Tell me Ben why, didn't you go for the Ford C6 planetary reduction box, = you could machine any parts you need for yourself.=20 George (down under) A couple of extra pounds is a safe trade off for crackshaft = security in my opinion. I am a big fan of rotarys going back to the = IMSA Camel Lights class at Daytona and other tracks. The main reason I = didn't go that route on my prototype is I am based at the only airport = in the world that is in a national park and keeping a rotary quiet for a = few hundred hours while I go through testing/R&D phase is not a obstacle = I wanted to overcome. There is a good possibility I will offer my = services to fellow alternative engine guys who need custom machine work = done. By now I am guessing most of you guys have read the hatchet job = the wizard on the other list posted on the internet about me and my = plane. He is a piece of work for sure. Tailwinds. Ben. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, George Lendich = wrote: From: George Lendich Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:58 PM =EF=BB=BF=20 Ben, Fluid dampers are good but their heavy and I believe that's = the reason why their not used in Aviation ( to my knowledge), especially = where FWF weight is critical. We have all been through 'baptism' on the other site. I did mean to say Ben - why didn't you put all your efforts to = developing the rotary . With your obvious skills you would have made a = major contribution - perhaps next time !? I'm still trying to get my head around those kick-outs on the aft end of the rad outlet. I'm trying to confirm WHY they work = - anyone got any suggestions. George ( down under) George (down under) George. I have been building racing engines for years. = I have never had a crack break from harmonics while using these guys = product. Here is a link to their website that gives the details on how = it functions. = http://www.fluidampr.com/IMAGES/ADS/2009%20catalog/Fluidampr%20catalog%20= 2009.pdf After reading all the posts on here for the last few = days I have to say you guys are all moving forward toward a common and = successful conclusion. Keep on experimenting !!!!! The "other" rotary = site I got trashed on is, how can I say this politely ??? Well, lets = just say it is entertaining for sure. Ben.=20 www.haaspowerair.com --- On Thu, 10/1/09, George Lendich = wrote: From: George Lendich Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 2:39 PM =EF=BB=BF=20 Ben, Good work! You certainly picked up on many of the problems = associated with auto engine conversions. I particularly like the mixture = block for the Holly carb.=20 While I was searching for a pen I missed what you = said you used for a damper - did you say you used a fluid damper ? George ( down under) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: stephen haas=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening This will explain alot... Fire away with any = questions. = http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-7272451917550730841&hl=3Den# --- On Wed, 9/30/09, George Lendich = wrote: From: George Lendich = Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is = Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:33 = PM =EF=BB=BF=20 Don't be shy Ben - we all ears. George ( down under) Hi Jeff and all others. I am a newbie to = the group but a serious auto engine fanatic. I feel your pain on the = cooling issues with a "slow" plane. I can expand on that if you or = anyone else is interested. Tailwinds. Ben. www.haaspowerair.com --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Jeff Whaley = wrote: From: Jeff Whaley Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is = Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, = 9:02 AM I guess some people must actually be = flying =E2=80=A6 Personally, I=E2=80=99m almost ready to = fly again after another round of modifications to oil cooling system. = My slow, 105 mph airplane is having difficulty keeping the oil = temperature below redline (210F) above 4000 rpm. Have added a second = oil cooler - now have one each side of engine, similar-looking to dual = evaporator cores (for water) in RVs. Since I can=E2=80=99t cruise at = 160 mph have decided that 2x surface area is needed to make up for 1.6x = airspeed.=20 Jeff=20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 = 10:16 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Quiet is Deafening Anyone out there = ??.....................<:) -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 -------------- Original message from = "Patrick Panzera" : --------------=20 Hey gang!=20 I came across a rare find this weekend.=20 Any serious rotorhead will certainly = appreciate this.=20 Bluelines from 1973 of the General = Motors Wankel Rotary engine.=20 I just put them up on eBay=20 http://tinyurl.com/GM-Rotary-drawings=20 Pat=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01CA4459.60989170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
 Ben,
Didn't see it and although on this list = we may not=20 all agree we seem to be much more tolerant of others ideas. Mind you the = proof=20 is always in the pudding. On PL don't sweat it, it's aggravation you = don't=20 need.
 
I have had exposure to some good ideas = from the=20 other list, but equally I've had a lot of help from this = list.
 
Tell me Ben why, didn't you go for the = Ford C6=20 planetary reduction box, you could machine any parts you need for=20 yourself. 
George (down under)
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A couple of extra pounds is a safe trade off for crackshaft = security in my opinion.  I am a big fan of rotarys going = back to=20 the IMSA Camel Lights class at Daytona and other tracks. The = main reason=20 I didn't go that route on my prototype is I = am based at the=20 only airport in the world that is in a national park and = keeping a=20 rotary quiet for a few hundred hours while I go through = testing/R&D=20 phase is not a obstacle I wanted to overcome. There is a good=20 possibility I will offer my services to fellow alternative = engine guys=20 who need custom machine work done. By now I = am=20 guessing most of you guys have read the hatchet job the wizard = on the=20 other list posted on the internet about me and my = plane. =20 He is a piece of work for sure.
 
Tailwinds.
Ben.

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, George Lendich=20 <lendich@aanet.com.au> wrote:

From:=20 George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>
Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Quiet is Deafening
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft"=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Date: Friday, October = 2, 2009,=20 2:58 PM

=EF=BB=BF=20
Ben,
Fluid dampers are good but = their heavy=20 and I believe that's the reason why their not used in Aviation = ( to my=20 knowledge), especially where FWF weight is = critical.
 
We have all been through = 'baptism' on the=20 other site.
 
I did mean to say Ben - why = didn't you=20 put all your efforts to developing the rotary . With your = obvious=20 skills you would have made a major contribution - perhaps next = time=20 !?
 
I'm still trying to get my = head around=20 those kick-outs on the
aft end of the rad outlet. = I'm trying to=20 confirm WHY they work - anyone got any = suggestions.
 
George ( down = under)
 
George (down = under)
<= /TR>
George. I have been building racing engines for = years. I=20 have never had a crack break from harmonics while = using these=20 guys product. Here is a link to their website that = gives the=20 details on how it functions.
 
http://www.fluidampr.com/IMAGES/ADS/2009%20catalog/Fluidam= pr%20catalog%202009.pdf
 
 After reading all the posts on here for the = last=20 few days I have to say you guys are all moving forward = toward=20 a common and successful conclusion. Keep on = experimenting=20 !!!!!  The "other"  rotary site I = got trashed=20 on is, how can I say this politely = ???   Well,=20 lets just say it is entertaining for sure. = <GG>
 
Ben.
www.haaspowerair.com

--- On = Thu,=20 10/1/09, George Lendich=20 <lendich@aanet.com.au> = wrote:

From:=20 George Lendich = <lendich@aanet.com.au>
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening
To: "Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft" = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Date:=20 Thursday, October 1, 2009, 2:39 PM

=EF=BB=BF=20
Ben,
Good = work!
You certainly = picked up on many=20 of the problems associated with auto engine = conversions. I=20 particularly like the mixture block for the Holly = carb.=20
While I was = searching for a pen=20 I missed what you said you used for a damper - did = you say=20 you used a fluid damper ?
George ( down=20 under)
----- Original = Message -----=20
From:=20 stephen haas =
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: = Thursday,=20 October 01, 2009 11:59 AM
Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Quiet is Deafening

This will explain alot... Fire away = with any=20 questions.
 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-727245191755073= 0841&hl=3Den#
---=20 On Wed, 9/30/09, George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>=20 wrote:

From:=20 George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening
To: = "Rotary=20 motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Date:=20 Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:33 = PM

=EF=BB=BF=20
 Don't be shy=20 Ben - we all ears.
George ( = down=20 under)
Hi Jeff and all others. I am a = newbie to=20 the group but a serious auto engine = fanatic. I=20 feel your pain on the cooling issues = with a=20 "slow" plane.  I can expand on that = if you=20 or anyone else is interested.
 
Tailwinds.
 
Ben.
www.haaspowerair.com

---=20 On Wed, 9/30/09, Jeff Whaley = <jwhaley@datacast.com>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacast.com>
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is = Deafening
To:=20 "Rotary motors in aircraft"=20 = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Date:=20 Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:02 = AM

I=20 guess some people must actually be = flying=20 =E2=80=A6

Personally,=20 I=E2=80=99m almost ready to fly again = after another=20 round of modifications to oil cooling=20 system.  My slow, 105 mph airplane = is=20 having difficulty keeping the oil = temperature=20 below redline (210F) above 4000 = rpm.  Have=20 added a second oil cooler - now have one = each=20 side of engine, similar-looking to dual=20 evaporator cores (for water) in RVs. =  Since=20 I can=E2=80=99t cruise at 160 mph have = decided that 2x=20 surface area is needed to make up for = 1.6x=20 airspeed.=20

Jeff=20

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On=20 Behalf Of Kelly = Troyer
Sent:=20 Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:16=20 AM
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Quiet is=20 Deafening

Anyone out there=20 ??.....................<:)

--
Kelly Troyer=20
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20


 

--------------=20 Original message from "Patrick Panzera"=20 = <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>:=20 --------------=20

Hey=20 gang!=20

I=20 came across a rare find this = weekend.=20

Any=20 serious rotorhead will certainly = appreciate=20 this.=20

Bluelines=20 from 1973 of the General Motors Wankel = Rotary=20 engine.=20

I=20 just put them up on eBay=20

http://tinyurl.com/GM-Rotary-drawings=20

Pat=20

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