X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com ([74.6.114.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with SMTP id 3872679 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:39:25 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.6.114.48; envelope-from=admin@haaspowerair.com Received: (qmail 52987 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2009 22:38:50 -0000 Message-ID: <88036.49011.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6hGFYcUVM1nFlLzNcElkIHEG9SjaZsYFrCS9__1jpYVhM.mxeELWs9BF Received: from [75.163.13.178] by web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:38:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:38:49 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen haas Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Zenith 801 To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1323655513-1254523129=:49011" --0-1323655513-1254523129=:49011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A couple of extra pounds is a safe trade off for crackshaft security in my = opinion.=C2=A0 I am a big fan of rotarys going back to the IMSA Camel Light= s class at Daytona and other tracks. The main reason I didn't go that route= on my prototype is I am=C2=A0based=C2=A0at the only airport in the world t= hat is in a national park=C2=A0and keeping a rotary quiet for a few hundred= hours while I go through testing/R&D phase is not a obstacle I wanted to o= vercome. There is a good possibility I will offer my services to fellow alt= ernative engine guys who need custom machine work done.=C2=A0By now=C2=A0I = am guessing most of you guys have read the hatchet job the wizard on the ot= her list=C2=A0posted on the internet=C2=A0about me and my plane.=C2=A0 He i= s a piece of work for sure. =C2=A0 Tailwinds. Ben. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, George Lendich wrote: From: George Lendich Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:58 PM =EF=BB=BF=20 Ben, Fluid dampers are good but their heavy and I believe that's the reason why = their not used in Aviation ( to my knowledge), especially where FWF weight = is critical. =C2=A0 We have all been through 'baptism' on the other site. =C2=A0 I did mean to say Ben - why didn't you put all your efforts to developing t= he rotary=C2=A0. With your obvious skills you would have made a major contr= ibution - perhaps next time !? =C2=A0 I'm still trying to get my head around those kick-outs on the aft end of the rad outlet. I'm trying to confirm WHY they work - anyone got= any suggestions. =C2=A0 George ( down under) =C2=A0 George (down under) George. I have been building racing engines for years. I have never had a c= rack break from harmonics while using these guys product. Here is a link to= their website that gives the details on how it functions. =C2=A0 http://www.fluidampr.com/IMAGES/ADS/2009%20catalog/Fluidampr%20catalog%2020= 09.pdf =C2=A0 =C2=A0After reading all the posts on here for the last few days I have to s= ay you guys are all moving forward toward a common and successful conclusio= n. Keep on experimenting !!!!!=C2=A0 The "other"=C2=A0 rotary site I got=C2= =A0trashed on=C2=A0is, how can I say this politely ???=C2=A0=C2=A0 Well, le= ts just say it is entertaining for sure. =C2=A0 Ben.=20 www.haaspowerair.com --- On Thu, 10/1/09, George Lendich wrote: From: George Lendich Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 2:39 PM =EF=BB=BF=20 Ben, Good work! You certainly picked up on many of the problems associated with auto engine= conversions. I particularly like the mixture block for the Holly carb.=20 While I was searching for a pen I missed what you said you used for a dampe= r - did you say you used a fluid damper ? George ( down under) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: stephen haas=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening This will explain alot... Fire away with any questions. =C2=A0 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-7272451917550730841&hl=3Den# --- On Wed, 9/30/09, George Lendich wrote: From: George Lendich Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:33 PM =EF=BB=BF=20 =C2=A0Don't be shy Ben - we all ears. George ( down under) Hi Jeff and all others. I am a newbie to the group but a serious auto engin= e fanatic. I feel your pain on the cooling issues with a "slow" plane.=C2= =A0 I can expand on that if you or anyone else is interested. =C2=A0 Tailwinds. =C2=A0 Ben. www.haaspowerair.com --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Jeff Whaley wrote: From: Jeff Whaley Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:02 AM #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 UNKNOWN { FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 UNKNOWN { FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 #yiv1355163408 P.= MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman", "serif";} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman", "serif";} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman", "serif";} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 A:link { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 SPAN.MsoHyperlink= { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 A:visited { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 SPAN.MsoHyperlink= Followed { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 P { FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0in;MARGIN-RIGHT:0in;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roma= n", "serif";} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 SPAN.EmailStyle18= { COLOR:navy;FONT-FAMILY:"Arial", "sans-serif";} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 SPAN.EmailStyle19= { COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 .MsoChpDefault { FONT-SIZE:10pt;} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 UNKNOWN { MARGIN:1in 1.25in;} #yiv439764593 #yiv344586404 #yiv1864832422 #yiv1355163408 DIV.Section1 { } I guess some people must actually be flying =E2=80=A6 Personally, I=E2=80=99m almost ready to fly again after another round of mo= difications to oil cooling system.=C2=A0 My slow, 105 mph airplane is havin= g difficulty keeping the oil temperature below redline (210F) above 4000 rp= m.=C2=A0 Have added a second oil cooler - now have one each side of engine,= similar-looking to dual evaporator cores (for water) in RVs. =C2=A0Since I= can=E2=80=99t cruise at 160 mph have decided that 2x surface area is neede= d to make up for 1.6x airspeed.=20 Jeff=20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:16 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Quiet is Deafening Anyone out there ??.....................<:) -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 =C2=A0 -------------- Original message from "Patrick Panzera" : --------------=20 Hey gang!=20 I came across a rare find this weekend.=20 Any serious rotorhead will certainly appreciate this.=20 Bluelines from 1973 of the General Motors Wankel Rotary engine.=20 I just put them up on eBay=20 http://tinyurl.com/GM-Rotary-drawings=20 Pat=20 --0-1323655513-1254523129=:49011 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A couple of extra pounds is a safe trade= off for crackshaft security in my opinion.  I am a big fan of rotarys= going back to the IMSA Camel Lights class at Daytona and other tracks. The= main reason I didn't go that route on my prototype is I am based = ;at the only airport in the world that is in a national park and keepi= ng a rotary quiet for a few hundred hours while I go through testing/R&= D phase is not a obstacle I wanted to overcome. There is a good possibility= I will offer my services to fellow alternative engine guys who need custom= machine work done. By now I am guessing most of you guy= s have read the hatchet job the wizard on the other list posted on the= internet about me and my plane.  He is a piece of work for sure.=
 
Tailwinds.
Ben.

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, George Lendich <lendich@aane= t.com.au> wrote:

From: George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>=
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening
To: "Rotary motors in ai= rcraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Date: Friday, October 2, 200= 9, 2:58 PM

=EF=BB=BF=20
Ben,
Fluid dampers are good but their heavy and= I believe that's the reason why their not used in Aviation ( to my knowled= ge), especially where FWF weight is critical.
 
We have all been through 'baptism' on the = other site.
 
I did mean to say Ben - why didn't you put= all your efforts to developing the rotary . With your obvious skills = you would have made a major contribution - perhaps next time !?
 
I'm still trying to get my head around tho= se kick-outs on the
aft end of the rad outlet. I'm trying to c= onfirm WHY they work - anyone got any suggestions.
 
George ( down under)
 
George (down under)
=
George. I have been building racing engines for years. I have never ha= d a crack break from harmonics while using these guys product. Here is a li= nk to their website that gives the details on how it functions.
 
 
 After reading all the posts on here for the last few days I have= to say you guys are all moving forward toward a common and successful conc= lusion. Keep on experimenting !!!!!  The "other"  rotary site I g= ot trashed on is, how can I say this politely ???   Wel= l, lets just say it is entertaining for sure. <GG>
 
Ben.
www.haaspowerair.com

--- On Thu, 10/1/09, George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au> wrote:

From: George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>=
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening
To: "Rotary motors in ai= rcraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2= 009, 2:39 PM

=EF=BB=BF=20
Ben,
Good work!
You certainly picked up on many of the pro= blems associated with auto engine conversions. I particularly like the mixt= ure block for the Holly carb.
While I was searching for a pen I missed w= hat you said you used for a damper - did you say you used a fluid damper ?<= /FONT>
George ( down under)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:= 59 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is De= afening

This will explain alot... Fire away with any questions.
 

From: George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet = is Deafening
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Date: Wednesday, = September 30, 2009, 7:33 PM

=EF=BB=BF=20
 Don't be shy Ben - we all ears.
George ( down under)
Hi Jeff and all others. I am a newbie to the group but a serious auto = engine fanatic. I feel your pain on the cooling issues with a "slow" plane.=   I can expand on that if you or anyone else is interested.
 
Tailwinds.
 
Ben.
www.haaspowerair.com

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Jeff Whaley &l= t;jwhaley@datacast.com> w= rote:

From: Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacast.com>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is D= eafening
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= >
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:02 AM

I guess some people must actually be flying= =E2=80=A6

Personally, I=E2=80=99m almost ready to fly= again after another round of modifications to oil cooling system.  My= slow, 105 mph airplane is having difficulty keeping the oil temperature be= low redline (210F) above 4000 rpm.  Have added a second oil cooler - n= ow have one each side of engine, similar-looking to dual evaporator cores (= for water) in RVs.  Since I can=E2=80=99t cruise at 160 mph have decid= ed that 2x surface area is needed to make up for 1.6x airspeed.=20

Jeff

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Wednesday= , September 30, 2009 10:16 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Quiet is Deafening

Anyone out there ??.....................<:)

--
Kelly Troyer
"= Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplat= e/Oil Manifold


 

-------------- Original = message from "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>: -= -------------=20

Hey gang!=20

I came across a rare find this weekend.= =20

Any serious rotorhead will certainly appreciate = this.=20

Bluelines from 1973 of the General Motors Wankel= Rotary engine.=20

I just put them up on eBay=20

http://tinyurl.com/GM-Rotary-drawings<= /SPAN>=20

Pat=20

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