X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3872655 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:58:58 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (sv1-1.per.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.68]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ED81734A9 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2009 04:58:20 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 69651BEC005 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2009 04:58:19 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <248AC45E879343CCAB60D7DA0D0F6383@ownerf1fc517b8> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 06:58:22 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01CA43F6.E5596FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091001-0, 10/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01CA43F6.E5596FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ben, Fluid dampers are good but their heavy and I believe that's the reason = why their not used in Aviation ( to my knowledge), especially where FWF = weight is critical. We have all been through 'baptism' on the other site. I did mean to say Ben - why didn't you put all your efforts to = developing the rotary . With your obvious skills you would have made a = major contribution - perhaps next time !? I'm still trying to get my head around those kick-outs on the aft end of the rad outlet. I'm trying to confirm WHY they work - anyone = got any suggestions. George ( down under) George (down under) George. I have been building racing engines for years. I have = never had a crack break from harmonics while using these guys product. = Here is a link to their website that gives the details on how it = functions. = http://www.fluidampr.com/IMAGES/ADS/2009%20catalog/Fluidampr%20catalog%20= 2009.pdf After reading all the posts on here for the last few days I = have to say you guys are all moving forward toward a common and = successful conclusion. Keep on experimenting !!!!! The "other" rotary = site I got trashed on is, how can I say this politely ??? Well, lets = just say it is entertaining for sure. Ben.=20 www.haaspowerair.com --- On Thu, 10/1/09, George Lendich = wrote: From: George Lendich Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 2:39 PM =EF=BB=BF=20 Ben, Good work! You certainly picked up on many of the problems associated = with auto engine conversions. I particularly like the mixture block for = the Holly carb.=20 While I was searching for a pen I missed what you said you = used for a damper - did you say you used a fluid damper ? George ( down under) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: stephen haas=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening This will explain alot... Fire away with any = questions. = http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-7272451917550730841&hl=3Den# --- On Wed, 9/30/09, George Lendich = wrote: From: George Lendich Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:33 PM =EF=BB=BF=20 Don't be shy Ben - we all ears. George ( down under) Hi Jeff and all others. I am a newbie to the = group but a serious auto engine fanatic. I feel your pain on the cooling = issues with a "slow" plane. I can expand on that if you or anyone else = is interested. Tailwinds. Ben. www.haaspowerair.com --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Jeff Whaley = wrote: From: Jeff Whaley Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is = Deafening To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:02 = AM I guess some people must actually be = flying =E2=80=A6 Personally, I=E2=80=99m almost ready to = fly again after another round of modifications to oil cooling system. = My slow, 105 mph airplane is having difficulty keeping the oil = temperature below redline (210F) above 4000 rpm. Have added a second = oil cooler - now have one each side of engine, similar-looking to dual = evaporator cores (for water) in RVs. Since I can=E2=80=99t cruise at = 160 mph have decided that 2x surface area is needed to make up for 1.6x = airspeed.=20 Jeff=20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:16 = AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Quiet is Deafening Anyone out there = ??.....................<:) -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 -------------- Original message from = "Patrick Panzera" : --------------=20 Hey gang!=20 I came across a rare find this weekend.=20 Any serious rotorhead will certainly = appreciate this.=20 Bluelines from 1973 of the General = Motors Wankel Rotary engine.=20 I just put them up on eBay=20 http://tinyurl.com/GM-Rotary-drawings=20 Pat=20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01CA43F6.E5596FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Ben,
Fluid dampers are good but their heavy = and I=20 believe that's the reason why their not used in Aviation ( to my = knowledge),=20 especially where FWF weight is critical.
 
We have all been through 'baptism' on = the other=20 site.
 
I did mean to say Ben - why didn't you = put all your=20 efforts to developing the rotary . With your obvious skills you = would have=20 made a major contribution - perhaps next time !?
 
I'm still trying to get my head around = those=20 kick-outs on the
aft end of the rad outlet. I'm trying = to confirm=20 WHY they work - anyone got any suggestions.
 
George ( down under)
 
George (down under)
<= /TR>
George. I have been building racing engines for years. I = have never=20 had a crack break from harmonics while using these guys product. = Here is=20 a link to their website that gives the details on how it=20 functions.
 
http://www.fluidampr.com/IMAGES/ADS/2009%20catalog/Flui= dampr%20catalog%202009.pdf
 
 After reading all the posts on here for the last few = days I=20 have to say you guys are all moving forward toward a common and=20 successful conclusion. Keep on experimenting !!!!!  The=20 "other"  rotary site I got trashed on is, how can = I say=20 this politely ???   Well, lets just say it is = entertaining for=20 sure. <GG>
 
Ben.
www.haaspowerair.com

--- = On Thu, 10/1/09, George Lendich=20 <lendich@aanet.com.au> wrote:

From:=20 George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>
Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Quiet is Deafening
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft"=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Date: Thursday, October = 1,=20 2009, 2:39 PM

=EF=BB=BF=20
Ben,
Good work!
You certainly picked up on = many of the=20 problems associated with auto engine conversions. I = particularly like=20 the mixture block for the Holly carb.
While I was searching for a = pen I missed=20 what you said you used for a damper - did you say you used a = fluid=20 damper ?
George ( down = under)
----- Original Message ----- =
From: stephen haas =
To: Rotary motors = in=20 aircraft
Sent: Thursday, = October 01,=20 2009 11:59 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Re: Quiet=20 is Deafening

This will explain alot... Fire away with any=20 questions.
 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-727245191755073= 0841&hl=3Den#
---=20 On Wed, 9/30/09, George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au><= /B>=20 wrote:

From:=20 George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>
S= ubject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening
To: "Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t>
Date:=20 Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:33 PM

=EF=BB=BF=20
 Don't be shy = Ben - we all=20 ears.
George ( down=20 under)
Hi Jeff and all others. I am a newbie = to the=20 group but a serious auto engine fanatic. I = feel your=20 pain on the cooling issues with a "slow"=20 plane.  I can expand on that if you or = anyone=20 else is interested.
 
Tailwinds.
 
Ben.
www.haaspowerair.com

--- On=20 Wed, 9/30/09, Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacast.com>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacast.com>
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Quiet is Deafening
To: = "Rotary=20 motors in aircraft"=20 = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Date:=20 Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:02 = AM

I=20 guess some people must actually be flying=20 =E2=80=A6

Personally,=20 I=E2=80=99m almost ready to fly again = after another round=20 of modifications to oil cooling = system.  My=20 slow, 105 mph airplane is having = difficulty=20 keeping the oil temperature below redline = (210F)=20 above 4000 rpm.  Have added a second = oil=20 cooler - now have one each side of engine, = similar-looking to dual evaporator cores = (for=20 water) in RVs.  Since I can=E2=80=99t = cruise at 160=20 mph have decided that 2x surface area is = needed to=20 make up for 1.6x airspeed.=20

Jeff=20

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf=20 Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 September 30, 2009 10:16 AM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Quiet is Deafening

Anyone out there=20 ??.....................<:)

--
Kelly = Troyer=20
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 =
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil=20 Manifold


 

--------------=20 Original message from "Patrick Panzera"=20 = <panzera@experimental-aviation.com>:=20 --------------=20

Hey=20 gang!=20

I=20 came across a rare find this = weekend.=20

Any=20 serious rotorhead will certainly = appreciate=20 this.=20

Bluelines=20 from 1973 of the General Motors Wankel = Rotary=20 engine.=20

I=20 just put them up on eBay=20

http://tinyurl.com/GM-Rotary-drawings=20

Pat=20

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