X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omta.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([4.59.182.110] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3867880 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:24:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=4.59.182.110; envelope-from=lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca Received: from torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([142.167.87.168]) by tormtz03.toronto.rmgopenwave.com (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20090928132410.PTVE12567.tormtz03.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com> for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:24:10 -0400 Received: from PCdeRita ([142.167.87.168]) by torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com with SMTP id <20090928132409.ZPSL23591.torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@PCdeRita> for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:24:09 -0400 Message-ID: <2FBD91E2435D4B5DAD64E759523AE260@PCdeRita> From: "Rino" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:23:58 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CA4025.CA590640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CA4025.CA590640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageI have Tracy's EM2 and I can see the information you are talking = about, specially when it on auto tune. I will do some more testing = today .... if the rain subside a bit. Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Wills=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:24 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller Rino, I assume you have Tracy's EM or Ed Anderson's EFISM? This sounds = symptomatic of adjacent MCT locations being significantly different = (which causes the surging and the indications you see on your mixture = meter). This was the problem I fought for months blindly until I bought = an EFISM. Now with the EFISM I can see what's loaded and ensure there = are no big jumps between adjacent locations. When I changed mufflers from my original to the DNA a couple of weeks = ago there were significant issues with the tuning and the engine wouldnt = run clean. The staging point was particularly troublesome. Took about a = half hour to tune this out when in the past (pre-EFISM) it would have = taken weeks. I understand you have the auto tune feature but still think = its important to know what is in the MCT in order to properly understand = how it works. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rino=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller When this problem started I reset the map table to original, all = zeros. The engine run pretty good at that setting it makes small = adjustments when I set it to auto adjust. So the map table is set at = zero at the moment. The problem starts at a higher rpm than 3800 but I = will keep an eye on this the next time I try it. Thanks Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller If the surge takes you above and below 3800 rpm, you could be = looking at two different map table addresses for the same manifold = pressure. How do the two areas compare? When it was running ok did you = get a chance to write down the numbers in the table? =20 Bill B=20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Rino Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:37 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller I did install the new chips to correct that problem. =20 Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rino=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller =20 Interesting! It could be hunting for a map address. I am investigating that for the service alert. =20 Thanks Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller =20 Rino, I just noticed that there is a service alert for EC-3s shipped = prior to 6-1-08. When did you get yours?=20 Surging could be caused by the EC-3 hunting for a map table = address. Are you quite certain that this is not related to the map = table? Bill B =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Rino Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:02 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] EC3 Controller Tracy, =20 Anyone had a problem with the Renesis crank angle sensor and = had to change it. I may have to get a new crank angle sensor, but first = I want to check with you guys. =20 Tracy is probably gone to Colorado, maybe someone got this = problem before. I cannot get full power on my Renesis for takeoff on = Controller A. Seems like controller B works OK. It is not the fuel mixture, I tried that. Actually, when the = throttle is wide open the mixture display goes up and down rapidly, from = full lean to full rich and the engine surge. =20 I had a similar problem when I first installed and started the = Renesis. I had the EC2 controller then and had to get the EC3 to fix = the problem. Now it is coming back to me on the EC3, I think. The = problem then was with the crank sensor, the EC2 could not handle the = sensor signal at more than about 5000 rpm. =20 I think the problem started progressively during the last few = hours of flight, at first I thought it was a fuel mixture problem and = was trying to ajust for that but now it is not a mixture problem. Since = the controller B has NO temp. sensor and works ok, I wonder if it has = anything to do with that problem on controller A. =20 Rino Lacombe Renesis powered Glass Goose =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CA4025.CA590640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message=
I have Tracy's EM2 and I can see the = information=20 you are talking about, specially when it on auto tune.  I will do = some more=20 testing today .... if the rain subside a bit.
 
Rino
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike = Wills
Sent: Monday, September 28, = 2009 12:24=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3=20 Controller

Rino,
 
 I assume you have Tracy's EM or = Ed=20 Anderson's EFISM? This sounds symptomatic of adjacent MCT locations = being=20 significantly different (which causes the surging and the indications = you see=20 on your mixture meter). This was the problem I fought for months = blindly until=20 I bought an EFISM. Now with the EFISM I can see what's loaded and = ensure there=20 are no big jumps between adjacent locations.
 
 When I changed mufflers from my = original to=20 the DNA a couple of weeks ago there were significant issues with = the=20 tuning and the engine wouldnt run clean. The staging point was = particularly=20 troublesome. Took about a half hour to tune this out when in the past=20 (pre-EFISM) it would have taken weeks. I understand you have the auto = tune=20 feature but still think its important to know what is in the MCT in = order to=20 properly understand how it works.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rino=20
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Sunday, September 27, = 2009 5:05=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3=20 Controller

When this problem started I reset = the map table=20 to original, all zeros.  The engine run pretty good at that = setting it=20 makes small adjustments when I set it to auto adjust.  So the = map table=20 is set at zero at the moment.  The problem starts at a higher = rpm than=20 3800 but I will keep an eye on this the next time I try = it.
 
Thanks
Rino
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Bill Bradburry
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Sunday, September 27, = 2009 5:56=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = EC3=20 Controller

If the surge takes you above and below = 3800 rpm,=20 you could be looking at two different map table addresses for the = same=20 manifold pressure.  How do the two areas compare?  When = it was=20 running ok did you get a chance to write down the numbers in the=20 table?

 

Bill = B 

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Rino
Sent: Sunday, September 27, = 2009 3:37=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = EC3=20 Controller

I did install the = new chips to=20 correct that problem.

 

Rino

----- Original = Message -----=20

From: Rino=20

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent:=20 Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:24 = PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 = Controller

 

Interesting!  = It could=20 be hunting for a map address.

I am investigating = that for=20 the service alert.

 

Thanks

Rino

----- Original = Message=20 -----

From:=20 Bill Bradburry=20

Sent:=20 Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:47 = PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 = Controller

 

Rino,

I just noticed = that=20 there is a service alert for EC-3s shipped prior to = 6-1-08.  When=20 did you get yours? 

Surging could = be caused=20 by the EC-3 hunting for a map table address.  Are you = quite=20 certain that this is not related to the map=20 table?

Bill=20 B

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Rino
Sent: Sunday, September = 27, 2009=20 11:02 AM
To:=20 Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] = EC3=20 Controller

Tracy,

 

Anyone had a = problem with=20 the Renesis crank angle sensor and had to change it.  I = may have=20 to get a new crank angle sensor, but first I want to check = with you=20 guys.

 

Tracy=20 is probably gone to Colorado, maybe someone = got this=20 problem before.

I cannot get = full power on=20 my Renesis for takeoff on Controller A.  Seems like=20 controller B works OK.

It is not the = fuel=20 mixture, I tried that.  Actually, when the throttle is = wide open=20 the mixture display goes up and down rapidly, from full lean = to full=20 rich and the engine surge.

 

I had a similar = problem=20 when I first installed and started the Renesis.  I had = the EC2=20 controller then and had to get the EC3 to fix the = problem.  Now=20 it is coming back to me on the EC3, I think.  The problem = then=20 was with the crank sensor, the EC2 could not handle the sensor = signal=20 at more than about 5000 rpm.

 

I think the = problem=20 started progressively during the last few hours of flight, at = first I=20 thought it was a fuel mixture problem and was trying to ajust = for that=20 but now it is not a mixture problem.  Since the = controller B has=20 NO temp. sensor and works ok, I wonder if it has anything to = do with=20 that problem on controller A.

 

Rino=20 Lacombe

Renesis powered = Glass=20 Goose

 

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