X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao104.cox.net ([68.230.241.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3867622 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:25:15 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.42; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20090928032440.EXMQ14181.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:24:40 -0400 Received: from wills ([68.105.90.215]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id m3Qd1c00L4emyWU043Qf94; Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:24:40 -0400 X-VR-Score: -230.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=HkVBN3TVvHDdGr2nRAsA:9 a=sKDf92nw9-EoZ1HSGScA:7 a=2FN8m37WA2lVT8TtDZoTT0Bpmc0A:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=GEhn9tmn3u2Hyk3p:21 a=WW-gUJ0au-U_zYO0:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=hy3YCn_ZrUlvr8Q2QnEA:9 a=t1P6n-sO_79dmw5bHtAA:7 a=e-XOqf5A-BCe4rO_frs91lwzqMUA:4 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=oKsSanBNUq_2uwIS:21 a=FMJgMc_xJgKAUtPo:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:24:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA3FB0.891B6B70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA3FB0.891B6B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageRino, I assume you have Tracy's EM or Ed Anderson's EFISM? This sounds = symptomatic of adjacent MCT locations being significantly different = (which causes the surging and the indications you see on your mixture = meter). This was the problem I fought for months blindly until I bought = an EFISM. Now with the EFISM I can see what's loaded and ensure there = are no big jumps between adjacent locations. When I changed mufflers from my original to the DNA a couple of weeks = ago there were significant issues with the tuning and the engine wouldnt = run clean. The staging point was particularly troublesome. Took about a = half hour to tune this out when in the past (pre-EFISM) it would have = taken weeks. I understand you have the auto tune feature but still think = its important to know what is in the MCT in order to properly understand = how it works. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rino=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller When this problem started I reset the map table to original, all = zeros. The engine run pretty good at that setting it makes small = adjustments when I set it to auto adjust. So the map table is set at = zero at the moment. The problem starts at a higher rpm than 3800 but I = will keep an eye on this the next time I try it. Thanks Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller If the surge takes you above and below 3800 rpm, you could be = looking at two different map table addresses for the same manifold = pressure. How do the two areas compare? When it was running ok did you = get a chance to write down the numbers in the table? =20 Bill B=20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Rino Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:37 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller I did install the new chips to correct that problem. =20 Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rino=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller =20 Interesting! It could be hunting for a map address. I am investigating that for the service alert. =20 Thanks Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller =20 Rino, I just noticed that there is a service alert for EC-3s shipped = prior to 6-1-08. When did you get yours?=20 Surging could be caused by the EC-3 hunting for a map table = address. Are you quite certain that this is not related to the map = table? Bill B =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Rino Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:02 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] EC3 Controller Tracy, =20 Anyone had a problem with the Renesis crank angle sensor and had = to change it. I may have to get a new crank angle sensor, but first I = want to check with you guys. =20 Tracy is probably gone to Colorado, maybe someone got this = problem before. I cannot get full power on my Renesis for takeoff on Controller = A. Seems like controller B works OK. It is not the fuel mixture, I tried that. Actually, when the = throttle is wide open the mixture display goes up and down rapidly, from = full lean to full rich and the engine surge. =20 I had a similar problem when I first installed and started the = Renesis. I had the EC2 controller then and had to get the EC3 to fix = the problem. Now it is coming back to me on the EC3, I think. The = problem then was with the crank sensor, the EC2 could not handle the = sensor signal at more than about 5000 rpm. =20 I think the problem started progressively during the last few = hours of flight, at first I thought it was a fuel mixture problem and = was trying to ajust for that but now it is not a mixture problem. Since = the controller B has NO temp. sensor and works ok, I wonder if it has = anything to do with that problem on controller A. =20 Rino Lacombe Renesis powered Glass Goose =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA3FB0.891B6B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message=
Rino,
 
 I assume you have Tracy's EM or = Ed Anderson's=20 EFISM? This sounds symptomatic of adjacent MCT locations being = significantly=20 different (which causes the surging and the indications you see on your = mixture=20 meter). This was the problem I fought for months blindly until I bought = an=20 EFISM. Now with the EFISM I can see what's loaded and ensure there are = no big=20 jumps between adjacent locations.
 
 When I changed mufflers from my = original to=20 the DNA a couple of weeks ago there were significant issues with = the tuning=20 and the engine wouldnt run clean. The staging point was particularly=20 troublesome. Took about a half hour to tune this out when in the past=20 (pre-EFISM) it would have taken weeks. I understand you have the auto = tune=20 feature but still think its important to know what is in the MCT in = order to=20 properly understand how it works.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rino
Sent: Sunday, September 27, = 2009 5:05=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3=20 Controller

When this problem started I reset the = map table=20 to original, all zeros.  The engine run pretty good at that = setting it=20 makes small adjustments when I set it to auto adjust.  So the map = table=20 is set at zero at the moment.  The problem starts at a higher rpm = than=20 3800 but I will keep an eye on this the next time I try = it.
 
Thanks
Rino
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill Bradburry
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Sunday, September 27, = 2009 5:56=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3=20 Controller

If the surge takes you above and below = 3800 rpm, you=20 could be looking at two different map table addresses for the same = manifold=20 pressure.  How do the two areas compare?  When it was = running ok=20 did you get a chance to write down the numbers in the=20 table?

 

Bill = B 

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Rino
Sent: Sunday, September 27, = 2009 3:37=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3=20 Controller

I did install the new = chips to=20 correct that problem.

 

Rino

----- Original = Message -----=20

From: Rino=20

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent:=20 Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:24 = PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Controller

 

Interesting!  = It could be=20 hunting for a map address.

I am investigating = that for=20 the service alert.

 

Thanks

Rino

----- Original = Message -----=20

From: Bill Bradburry=20

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Sent:=20 Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:47 = PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 = Controller

 

Rino,

I just noticed = that there=20 is a service alert for EC-3s shipped prior to 6-1-08.  When = did you=20 get yours? 

Surging could be = caused by=20 the EC-3 hunting for a map table address.  Are you quite = certain=20 that this is not related to the map = table?

Bill=20 B

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Rino
Sent: Sunday, September = 27, 2009=20 11:02 AM
To:=20 Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] EC3=20 Controller

Tracy,

 

Anyone had a = problem with=20 the Renesis crank angle sensor and had to change it.  I may = have to=20 get a new crank angle sensor, but first I want to check with you = guys.

 

Tracy is=20 probably gone to Colorado, maybe someone got = this=20 problem before.

I cannot get full = power on=20 my Renesis for takeoff on Controller A.  Seems like = controller=20 B works OK.

It is not the fuel = mixture,=20 I tried that.  Actually, when the throttle is wide open the = mixture=20 display goes up and down rapidly, from full lean to full rich = and the=20 engine surge.

 

I had a similar = problem when=20 I first installed and started the Renesis.  I had the EC2=20 controller then and had to get the EC3 to fix the problem.  = Now it=20 is coming back to me on the EC3, I think.  The problem then = was=20 with the crank sensor, the EC2 could not handle the sensor = signal at=20 more than about 5000 rpm.

 

I think the = problem started=20 progressively during the last few hours of flight, at first I = thought it=20 was a fuel mixture problem and was trying to ajust for that but = now it=20 is not a mixture problem.  Since the controller B has NO = temp.=20 sensor and works ok, I wonder if it has anything to do with that = problem=20 on controller A.

 

Rino=20 Lacombe

Renesis powered = Glass=20 Goose

 

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