X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao103.cox.net ([68.230.241.43] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3864156 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:43:28 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.43; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20090924044254.EDXR11920.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:42:54 -0400 Received: from wills ([68.105.90.215]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id kUir1c0084emyWU03Uitpg; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:42:53 -0400 X-VR-Score: -150.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KBv6CuUXkHoA:10 a=UX7OYE2mAAAA:8 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=NjLnA_fzOaeOLvApVi8A:9 a=5XRilqDfpnxafDlsRTQA:7 a=lvujNWMGxUiq09MT15Wjc2M1w7MA:4 a=i1zE5R4R5dEA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=cdvbGRg2AAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=Hl1Gy0H5AAAA:8 a=BoUWJjH9NwxQHMsy_DIA:9 a=ng6eIJ3mHDTkN0PDQCUA:7 a=tlaCc-QeBwq_99TgqMHkunaESl0A:4 a=c952RG9ADR0A:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <05BD37C19F3D4FD9923722A0E9100322@wills> From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:42:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA3C96.CDBAC1D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SPAM-LOW: [FlyRotary] Re: Headsets This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA3C96.CDBAC1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In doing a little research it appears that the dominant opinion is that = conventional ANR headsets are more effective at killing the noise while = the in-ear systems are more comfortable. Of course this is subjective so = I guess the only way to know for sure is to try them. One thing I did note. While the Clarity Aloft and Quiet technologies = headsets are designed to be used in place of a conventional headset, the = CEP earpieces that the DAR mentioned to me are intended to be used in = addition to a conventional headset. Hmmm.... Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Christopher Owens=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [FlyRotary] Re: SPAM-LOW: [FlyRotary] Re: = Headsets Not sure about some of the other in-ear headsets, but I fly with the = Clarity Aloft headset and have for a couple of years. It's got an = expanding foam tip that's attached to the ear tube, similar to foam = expanding earplugs, only softer. I can't say that I've had any problems = with pressure equalization, perhaps because of the porous nature of the = foam. But then again, I don't usually fly above 4000 ft anyway :-) But I will say that they are fabulously comfortable, especially on a = hot day. Best regards, Chris On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Steve Thomas wrote: But, these ear-plug type of headsets need to have some facility for = equalizing air pressure in the ear. I believe with the Clarity = headsets, you need to pull them out every-so-often to let the air = pressure equalize (though don't quote me on that.) For most helicopter = operations, this is a non-issue. Best Regards, Steve Thomas _______________________________________________________ On Sep 22, 2009, at 11:23 PM, George Lendich wrote: Mike, Their similar to the Clarity Aloft headsets which use hearing aid = ear plugs - bloody good idea. George ( down under) OK Al, sorry about that. I read everything from Fly Rotary so = rarely pay attention to the subject line - even when I'm the subject = originator. George, the Bose is $1000 and the Zulu is $850. Until I flew = with the Zulu I wouldnt have believed it was worth it. One more possibility. Anyone familiar with these: http://www.anr-headsets.com:80/Html_folder/CEP.html I had a DAR inspect my glider a few months ago. He flew down in = an open cockpit Pitts. He said he had a terrible time hearing comms and = these solved those problems. He reported that it worked better than any = ANR headset he'd ever tried. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message ----- From: George Lendich To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: nothing to report... Mike, As you might be aware, we pay significantly more here in Aus = for such equipment, can you tell me what the Bose -X and the Zulu go for = in the states. George (down under) My headset is the original Lightspeed 20K - about 12 years old = and still fine. I've tried a Lightspeed 33K swapping back and forth = between it and the 20K in my buddy's Mooney. The 33K is slightly better = than my old 20K, but not enough to justify upgrading. I borrowed another friend's Lightspeed Zulu a few weeks ago = and flew with it in the RV for about an hour. Significantly better than = my 20K and I plan on making that upgrade once I can scare up the cash. Another friend has the Bose which he just bought. Havent = been able to talk him out of it yet for a test flight but I hope to. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Thomas To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: nothing to report... Is there anyone out there with a Lightspeed Zulu that can = report on its effectiveness? Best Regards, Steve Thomas _______________________________________________________ On Sep 21, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Mark Steitle wrote: Lightspeed 33G. =20 On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Steve Thomas = wrote: Mark, Which ANR do you use? Best Regards, Steve Thomas = _______________________________________________________ On Sep 21, 2009, at 5:26 AM, Mark Steitle wrote: Good report Mike. I know what you mean about a = quieter muffler. My ANR headset does a good job of killing the low = frequencies, but a poor job on the higher frequencies. The rotary has = both. So take your pick, turn the ANR on and listen to the high = frequencies, or turn it off and listen to the low rumble. If I could = only find an ANR that can do both I would be a happy camper.=20 Mark On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Mike Wills = wrote: I added another 1.3 hours to my total flight time = today. And for the first time I landed and was completely satisfied with = the flight. I'd still like to quiet it down a little, but this was the = first flight where I didnt feel like there was anything that had to be = fixed before the next flight. Even the landing was pretty decent. I've got just over 9 hours of flight time and = about 40 hours of engine run time now. So far all of my flight time has = been directly over the airport because to venture away requires flying = over about 50 miles of mostly unlandable mountainous terrain. But I'm = starting to think seriously about stretching the legs a little... Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA3C96.CDBAC1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In doing a little research it appears = that the=20 dominant opinion is that conventional ANR headsets are more effective at = killing=20 the noise while the in-ear systems are more comfortable. Of course this = is=20 subjective so I guess the only way to know for sure is to try = them.
 
One thing I did note. While the Clarity = Aloft and=20 Quiet technologies headsets are designed to be used in place of a = conventional=20 headset, the CEP earpieces that the DAR mentioned to me are intended to = be used=20 in addition to a conventional headset. Hmmm....
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Christopher=20 Owens
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, = 2009 11:24=20 AM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: SPAM-LOW: [FlyRotary] Re: Headsets

Not sure about some of the other in-ear headsets, but I fly with = the=20 Clarity Aloft headset and have for a couple of years.  It's got = an=20 expanding foam tip that's attached to the ear tube, similar to foam = expanding=20 earplugs, only softer.  I can't say that I've had any problems = with=20 pressure equalization, perhaps because of the porous nature of the = foam.=20  But then again, I don't usually fly above 4000 ft anyway = :-)

But I will say that they are fabulously comfortable, especially = on a hot=20 day.

Best regards,
Chris


On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Steve Thomas wrote:
But, these ear-plug type of headsets need to = have=20 some facility for equalizing air pressure in the ear.  I = believe with=20 the Clarity headsets, you need to pull them out every-so-often to = let the=20 air pressure equalize (though don't quote me on that.)  For = most=20 helicopter operations, this is a non-issue.

Best Regards,

Steve Thomas
_______________________________________________________


=

On Sep 22, 2009, at 11:23 PM, George Lendich wrote:
 
 Mike,
Their similar to the Clarity = Aloft headsets=20 which use hearing aid ear plugs - bloody good idea.
George ( down under)
OK Al, sorry about that. I read = everything=20 from Fly Rotary so rarely pay attention to the subject line - = even when=20 I'm the subject originator.
 
George, the Bose is $1000 and = the Zulu is=20 $850. Until I flew with the Zulu I wouldnt have believed it was = worth=20 it.
 
One more possibility. Anyone = familiar with=20 these:
 
http://www.a= nr-headsets.com:80/Html_folder/CEP.html
 
I had a DAR inspect my glider a = few months=20 ago. He flew down in an open cockpit Pitts. He said he had a = terrible=20 time hearing comms and these solved those problems. He reported = that it=20 worked better than any ANR headset he'd ever tried.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message = -----
From: George Lendich
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Sent: Monday, September = 21, 2009=20 9:12 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = nothing to=20 report...

Mike,
As you might be aware, we pay = significantly more here in Aus for such equipment, can you = tell me=20 what the Bose -X and the Zulu go for in the = states.
George (down = under)
 
My headset is the original = Lightspeed 20K=20 - about 12 years old and still fine. I've tried a Lightspeed = 33K=20 swapping back and forth between it and the 20K in my buddy's = Mooney.=20 The 33K is slightly better than my old 20K, but not enough to = justify=20 upgrading.
 
I borrowed another friend's = Lightspeed=20 Zulu a few weeks ago and flew with it in the RV for about an = hour.=20 Significantly better than my 20K and I plan on making that = upgrade=20 once I can scare up the cash.
 
Another friend has the Bose = which he=20 just bought. Havent been able to talk him out of it yet for = a test=20 flight but I hope to.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message = -----
From: Steve Thomas
To: Rotary motors = in=20 aircraft
Sent: Monday, = September 21,=20 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = nothing=20 to report...

Is there anyone out there with a Lightspeed = Zulu=20 that can report on its effectiveness?

Best = Regards,

Steve = Thomas
_______________________________________________________


=

On Sep 21, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Mark Steitle = wrote:
Lightspeed 33G.


 
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:41 = AM, Steve=20 Thomas <glasair2@me.com> wrote:
Mark,

Which ANR do you use?

Best Regards,

Steve=20 Thomas
_______________________________________________________

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On Sep 21, 2009, at 5:26 AM, Mark Steitle=20 wrote:

Good report Mike.  I know what you mean = about a=20 quieter muffler.  My ANR headset does a good = job of=20 killing the low frequencies, but a poor job on the = higher=20 frequencies.  The rotary has = both.  So take=20 your pick, turn the ANR on and listen = to the high=20 frequencies, or turn it off and listen to the low=20 rumble.  If I could only find an ANR that can = do both I=20 would be a happy camper. 
 
Mark

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at = 10:55 PM,=20 Mike Wills <rv-4mike@cox.net> wrote:
I added another = 1.3 hours to=20 my total flight time today. And for the first time = I=20 landed and was completely satisfied with the = flight. I'd=20 still like to quiet it down a little, but this was = the=20 first flight where I didnt feel like there was = anything=20 that had to be fixed before the next flight. Even = the=20 landing was pretty decent.
 
I've = got just over 9=20 hours of flight time and about 40 hours of engine = run=20 time now. So far all of my flight time has = been=20 directly over the airport because to venture away = requires=20 flying over about 50 miles of mostly unlandable=20 mountainous terrain. But I'm starting to think = seriously=20 about stretching the legs a little...
 
Mike = Wills
RV-4=20 = N144MW






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