Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #47367
From: Al Wick <alwick@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Belly Scoop
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:08:58 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I see now. I like the tie offs. It appears that takes care of the x and y movement. Nice job.
 
Now, that begs the question about z axis. I did a quick calc (could be wrong), it looks like the two ends of each tube will lengthen by 1/4" if you go from freezing to warm engine. Nothing you can do to stop the movement, but perhaps you can reduce the effect. It will push and pull rad. So if rad mounted too firmly, you have risk. Normally hose ends are longer to absorb this movement. You might be ok, but I'd change it. Then there's the bending moment where your rad tube turns. I'd add another hose just past bend, say 1 ft long or so. This makes your design insensitive to expansion, vibration. Adds a big safety factor.
 
Finally, you are all done. Then it's time to assume you overlooked something that will eventually fatigue the tubing. So you super glue some pieces of thread from tubing to fuselage. If thread breaks, you have advance notice of fatigue failure down the road.
 
When I do creative stuff, similar to what you've done, I force myself to sit back and say: "It's going to fail. Now, where and why?". "What action will reduce risk?" Computer monitoring of coolant pressure is good one, as pressure will drop long before you run out of coolant.
 
Good job venting rad btw.
 
-al wick
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Ward
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Belly Scoop

You're right to an extent Al.  We are going flex from the oil cooler to the exterior of the scoop, rigid to the entrance of the cowling, and flex to the engine.  We have flex at the radiator connections, rigid to the cowling, and flex to the engine.  Everything is tied off, just not apparent in these images.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Wick
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:58 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Belly Scoop

If I'm seeing pics correct, you have hard lines going from one component to another(oil lines). This is high risk. Makes the installation sensitive to fatigue failures, differential expansion, resonance. Take a look at your car, you'll find almost all hard lines terminated with flexible hose (like your rad lines).
 
Even if you have flexible hose, you need to plan on tying the lines every few inches to control vibration. The hardlines will become "S" shaped during flight.
 
If I'm seeing wrong, or you have already planned this stuff...........never mind.
 
-al wick
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Ward
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:36 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Belly Scoop

 
 
Couple of more shots.
Greg Ward
Lancair 20B in progress
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:48 PM
Subject: Belly Scoop

Hi Greg,

I am anxious to see what you get on the dyno with your engine!  It should be a screamer!  What is the opening size of the belly scoop and where did you get the scoop?  I am thinking of something similar with my FG.  How do you direct the air inside the scoop to go over both the oil and water exchangers?  How do you control the cowl flap?  You said manually??? How?

 

Bill B


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