X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-vw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with ESMTP id 3766634 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:58:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.212.181; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by mail-vw0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 11so2482758vwj.7 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:58:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lylr7SULAg7Tqg1Hc0a4mXTDPdaYX9erhcPZpPw07kc=; b=NsftROSbB/CRUM56v91l1pDiA+vas/oXQEG1UU7OGhK0omZzvnpZ1sz5jUshMQeUkd ns0MkoQqBeV//HILknPWQr9CNt/dfowJBy4fMBGLljAu4B5+vyZF2lnr2f/sdl9NNknq i0YhgyK6ai1CaL1MTqYxORPdG3yR4wrccyo6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=plTNHfS+8Jhoop3X0rMMTVEo5cSDRhn73Kp5hNMCrSkKIHpcnWRHyT1n38i2kigcaa 4S9h50qEzBc1sdcw4Cvkbd6mNmffX69Dla1FpjNK8YovtxFjp7RdS3YbahZPiW/hQmaN nnFLRWko8xssOq4tCa7S0dg+++4zryMgmNsqw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.92.212 with SMTP id s20mr7073801vcm.91.1248148696989; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:58:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:58:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1c23473f0907202058o1ee36df4se36ea5bf0de56a31@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: WTF? Just when I think everything is going perfect... From: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364edd6eb60094046f2f43e3 --0016364edd6eb60094046f2f43e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup, no change between controllers. Dave On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Tracy Crook wrote: > Get the same results on A & B controller? > > Tracy (back from Colorado) > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:18 PM, David Leonard wrote: > >> Yup, spins with no sign of firing at all! It only spins easily by hand >> when the plugs are out.. otherwise it is a one-compression-at-a-time kind >> of exercise. Compression is normal.. I am well familiar with its feel. >> >> I am currently leaning toward a intermittent condition with my CAS wiring >> or the bad gas/flooding issue. At least it has made me think harder about >> my CAS as a single point failure and review the wiring. >> >> Thanks for all the suggestions. >> >> Dave Leonard >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Charlie England < >> ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >>> David Leonard wrote: >>> >>>> Yesterday I went flying and tested out my new smoke system... everything >>>> was perfect... somke is fun. Today I head out to go formation flying.. >>>> nothing changed from my flight yesterday except for adding fuel. But it >>>> won't start... I verify that I have fuel pressure, fuel flow, injector >>>> function (in test mode), I have spark (in test mode). Maybe it is >>>> flooded... I change the plugs, re-verify spark in cranking mode (to >>>> eliminate issues with CAS), re-drain the fuel, verify compression, re-verify >>>> fuel pressure and flow and injector funcion... but still it just turns over >>>> without starting... Sigh >>>> >>>> Anyone one know of a new component necessary other than fuel, spark, and >>>> compression? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> David Leonard >>>> >>>> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY >>>> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net >>>> http://RotaryRoster.net >>>> >>> Details? >>> >>> Spins with no sign of firing at all? >>> >>> Spits & pops but no regular combustion events? >>> >>> Any chance that the extra effort required to spin the engine by hand >>> using the prop through the reduction drive is hiding the fact that you have >>> low compression? The old RX-7 starting trick is fairly quick if you've >>> already got the cowl off. Pull a plug for each rotor & squirt in a little >>> ATF, reinsert the plug & try to crank. Lyn can probably recommend how much. >>> I never measured; I just dumped in as much as I could get in there while >>> fighting all the junk under the hood. >>> >>> Charlie >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: >>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> David Leonard >> >> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY >> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net >> http://RotaryRoster.net >> > > -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net --0016364edd6eb60094046f2f43e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup, no change between controllers.

Dave

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Tracy Crook <<= a href=3D"mailto:tracy@rotaryaviation.com">tracy@rotaryaviation.com>= wrote:
Get the same resu= lts on A & B controller?

Tracy=A0 (back from Colorado)
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 a= t 9:18 PM, David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup, spins with n= o sign of firing at all!=A0 It only spins easily by hand when the plugs are= out..=A0 otherwise it is a one-compression-at-a-time kind of exercise.=A0 = Compression is normal..=A0 I am well familiar with its feel.=A0

I am currently leaning toward a intermittent condition with my CAS wiri= ng or the bad gas/flooding issue.=A0 At least it has made me think harder a= bout my CAS as a single point failure and review the wiring.

Thanks = for all the suggestions.

Dave Leonard


On Mon, Jul 20, 2009= at 11:59 AM, Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net> wrote:
David Leonard wrote:
Yesterday I went flying and tested out my new smoke system... everything wa= s perfect... =A0somke is fun. =A0Today I head out to go formation flying.. = =A0nothing changed from my flight yesterday except for adding fuel. =A0But = it won't start... =A0 I verify that I have fuel pressure, fuel flow, in= jector function (in test mode), I have spark (in test mode). =A0Maybe it is= flooded... I change the plugs, re-verify spark in cranking mode (to elimin= ate issues with CAS), re-drain the fuel, verify compression, re-verify fuel= pressure and flow and injector funcion... but still it just turns over wit= hout starting... =A0Sigh

Anyone one know of a new component necessary other than fuel, spark, and co= mpression?

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David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.Rota= ryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.n= et
Details?

Spins with no sign of firing at all?

Spits & pops but no regular combustion events?

Any chance that the extra effort required to spin the engine by hand using = the prop through the reduction drive is hiding the fact that you have low c= ompression? The old RX-7 =A0starting trick is fairly quick if you've al= ready got the cowl off. Pull a plug for each rotor & squirt in a little= ATF, reinsert the plug & try to crank. Lyn can probably recommend how = much. I never measured; I just dumped in as much as I could get in there wh= ile fighting all the junk under the hood.

Charlie

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