X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from securemail.ever-tek.com ([64.129.170.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with ESMTP id 3766580 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:59:34 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@bellairepolice.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:58:58 -0500 From: "Chris Barber" Subject: Back from Colorado To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" , "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Back from Colorado Thread-Index: AcoJoxSwPrkHkCekSfSS0xTkrzEObAAAopgG References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA09A6.CFDACE88" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA09A6.CFDACE88 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =2E...back from Colorado..... =20 Tracy, =20 You may question the wisdom of telling us that . We have had some VER= Y interesting and insightful discussions over the past few weeks which ma= y be completely nullified with your return and input :-). =20 BTW, my latest engine efforts have been progressing well so far. However= , I am being distracted by having to prep the Velocity to sit on a ramp f= or a couple of months while the City repairs the hangar's roof that was a= llegedly damaged during Hurricane Ike.....can we say; micro, sand, micro.= =2E.apply UV primer (resulting from my last years jeffco/strake failure).= =2E.I am just now "finishing" the surface of the repaired strake =20 If any of y'all have time and want to fuel the fire, you may take a gande= r at the Cozy list....the rotary came up as a point of dispute recently f= ollowing Oley's issue. =20 I expect you have hundreds of emails to wade through. I trust you enjoye= d your time away. Welcome back =20 All the best, =20 Chris =20 Cpl. Christopher Barber, JD Badge 330 Bellaire Police Department 5110 Jessamine Bellaire, Texas 77401 =20 713-668-0487 713-662-8289 fax =20 CBarber@BellairePolice.com ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of Tracy Crook Sent: Mon 7/20/2009 8:31 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: WTF? Just when I think everything is goingperfec= t... Get the same results on A & B controller? Tracy (back from Colorado) On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:18 PM, David Leonard wrot= e: Yup, spins with no sign of firing at all! It only spins easily by hand = when the plugs are out.. otherwise it is a one-compression-at-a-time kin= d of exercise. Compression is normal.. I am well familiar with its feel= =2E =20 =09 I am currently leaning toward a intermittent condition with my CAS wirin= g or the bad gas/flooding issue. At least it has made me think harder ab= out my CAS as a single point failure and review the wiring. =09 Thanks for all the suggestions. =09 Dave Leonard =09 =09 =09 On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Charlie England wrote: =09 David Leonard wrote: =09 Yesterday I went flying and tested out my new smoke system... everythi= ng was perfect... somke is fun. Today I head out to go formation flying= =2E. nothing changed from my flight yesterday except for adding fuel. B= ut it won't start... I verify that I have fuel pressure, fuel flow, inj= ector function (in test mode), I have spark (in test mode). Maybe it is = flooded... I change the plugs, re-verify spark in cranking mode (to elimi= nate issues with CAS), re-drain the fuel, verify compression, re-verify f= uel pressure and flow and injector funcion... but still it just turns ove= r without starting... Sigh =09 Anyone one know of a new component necessary other than fuel, spark, a= nd compression? =09 --=20 David Leonard =09 Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net =20 http://RotaryRoster.net =20 =09 Details? =09 Spins with no sign of firing at all? =09 Spits & pops but no regular combustion events? =09 Any chance that the extra effort required to spin the engine by hand us= ing the prop through the reduction drive is hiding the fact that you have= low compression? The old RX-7 starting trick is fairly quick if you've = already got the cowl off. Pull a plug for each rotor & squirt in a little= ATF, reinsert the plug & try to crank. Lyn can probably recommend how mu= ch. I never measured; I just dumped in as much as I could get in there wh= ile fighting all the junk under the hood. =09 Charlie =09 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/L= ist.html =09 --=20 David Leonard =09 Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net =20 http://RotaryRoster.net =20 =09 Warning: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e= -mails attached to it, may contain confidential information that is legal= ly privileged. 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You may question the wisd= om of telling us that <g>.  We have had some VERY interesting = and insightful discussions over the past few weeks which may be completel= y nullified with your return and input :-).
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BTW, my latest engine efforts have been progressing = well so far.  However, I am being distracted by having to prep the V= elocity to sit on a ramp for a couple of months while the City repairs th= e hangar's roof that was allegedly damaged during Hurricane Ike.....can w= e say; micro, sand, micro...apply UV primer (resulting from my last years= jeffco/strake failure)...I am just now "finishing" the surface of t= he repaired strake <sigh>
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If any of y'all have time and want to fuel the fire, you may take = a gander at the Cozy list....the rotary came up as a point of dispute rec= ently following Oley's issue.
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Sent: Mon 7/20/2009 8:31 PM
To: Rot= ary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: WTF? Just when = I think everything is goingperfect...

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Get the= same results on A & B controller?

Tracy  (back from Colo= rado)

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On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:18 PM,= David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com> wrote:
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Yup, spins with no sign of firing at all!&= nbsp; It only spins easily by hand when the plugs are out..  otherwi= se it is a one-compression-at-a-time kind of exercise.  Compression = is normal..  I am well familiar with its feel. 

I am cu= rrently leaning toward a intermittent condition with my CAS wiring or the= bad gas/flooding issue.  At least it has made me think harder about= my CAS as a single point failure and review the wiring.

Thanks fo= r all the suggestions.

Dave Leonard


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On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Charlie England <ceenglan= d@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Yesterday I went flying and te= sted out my new smoke system... everything was perfect...  somke is = fun.  Today I head out to go formation flying..  nothing change= d from my flight yesterday except for adding fuel.  But it won't sta= rt...   I verify that I have fuel pressure, fuel flow, injector func= tion (in test mode), I have spark (in test mode).  Maybe it is flood= ed... I change the plugs, re-verify spark in cranking mode (to eliminate = issues with CAS), re-drain the fuel, verify compression, re-verify fuel p= ressure and flow and injector funcion... but still it just turns over wit= hout starting...  Sigh

Anyone one know of a new component nec= essary other than fuel, spark, and compression?

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David Leona= rd

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
Details?

Spins with no sign of firing at all?
Spits & pops but no regular combustion events?

Any chance tha= t the extra effort required to spin the engine by hand using the prop thr= ough the reduction drive is hiding the fact that you have low compression= ? The old RX-7  starting trick is fairly quick if you've already got= the cowl off. Pull a plug for each rotor & squirt in a little ATF, r= einsert the plug & try to crank. Lyn can probably recommend how much.= I never measured; I just dumped in as much as I could get in there while= fighting all the junk under the hood.

Charlie

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http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
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