X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-vw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.15) with ESMTP id 3765637 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:54:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.212.181; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by vwj11 with SMTP id 11so1966276vwj.7 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:53:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=coe8luhsNywUfzYMz8EcbJQWXEgvHFdEJWOx5WdKkP4=; b=ZdUkBmYGtkksCUOl1PxKNqSRofTRiilHaG81plPcWecJa62UlvcYfRhxocMLT2MmYj U5JkO4pDC/tsc6FjzDpuuQFteA449dkYzhUn6vPLcxld9bkhAFOP47/JGNMeLLOkx330 bTucRmzBgb4CUCEKrabGkuSAaLuICg8lwMiXM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=N4vWa5SqH11hxqi0hmQpVWGgpNskvYrljbZP/OcoKtlrdzM5h6sR9LSdvSJcV5nbdl rUjwf+xMO6wY7zv/rjgIXonh55PRNCaNKg7421OkB57pyU7VapWXnhTKyDy3N0MRmu0Z YP1pUnLPoeHoMW33Hkc7eOSlskDtV+ghE22so= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.73.209 with SMTP id r17mr5737752vcj.113.1248094438504; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:53:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:53:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1c23473f0907200553o91a9a7ase8a2a0f18ee48d0a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Fuel?: [FlyRotary] WTF? Just when I think everything is going perfect... From: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636310867a74668046f22a128 --001636310867a74668046f22a128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are right Ed, bad gas is about the only thing that comes to mind anymore... but it would have to be really bad gas. It was mogas from a different (cheaper) gas station than usual, and it had been sitting for about 3 weeks while I installed my smoke system. At one point during the exercize I did accidentally run the injector test mode with the fuel pump running... I figured I was pretty much done after that so that is when I removed (and exchanged) the spark plugs and spun the engine by hand quite a bit with the plugs out. Then put it all back together without any better luck.. I guess there still could have been too much fuel in the manifold even after spinning the engine. So maybe a little bad gas caused the initial problem, which I tried to solv= e by running the injectors in test mode and made the situation hopeless. Wil= l try again in a few days. Thanks for all the help, I just had to vent a little. --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Ed Anderson wro= te: > Hi Dave, > > > > Since you seemed to have checked everything else =96 how about the fuel > quality =96 seems that is the only thing you changed since your last flig= ht., > Not certain what you meant by re-drained it=96 is it sure nuff 100LL or > Autogas? Nothing perhaps diluting it? > > > > > > But, other than too much fuel (flooding) sounds like you have all the > essentials for a running engine. > > > > Ed > > > > > > Ed Anderson > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > Matthews, NC > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > http://www.andersonee.com > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > > http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *David Leonard > *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 12:08 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] WTF? Just when I think everything is going > perfect... > > > > Yesterday I went flying and tested out my new smoke system... everything > was perfect... somke is fun. Today I head out to go formation flying.. > nothing changed from my flight yesterday except for adding fuel. But it > won't start... I verify that I have fuel pressure, fuel flow, injector > function (in test mode), I have spark (in test mode). Maybe it is > flooded... I change the plugs, re-verify spark in cranking mode (to > eliminate issues with CAS), re-drain the fuel, verify compression, re-ver= ify > fuel pressure and flow and injector funcion... but still it just turns ov= er > without starting... Sigh > > Anyone one know of a new component necessary other than fuel, spark, and > compression? > > -- > David Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > --001636310867a74668046f22a128 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You are right Ed, bad gas is about the only thing that comes to mind a= nymore... but it would have to be really bad gas.=A0 It was mogas from a di= fferent (cheaper) gas station than usual, and it had been sitting for about= 3 weeks while I installed my smoke system.
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At one point during the exercize I did accidentally=A0run the injector= test mode with the fuel pump running...=A0 I figured I was pretty much don= e after that so that is when I removed (and exchanged) the spark plugs and = spun the engine by hand quite a bit with the plugs out.=A0 Then put it all = back together without any better luck..=A0 I guess there still could have b= een too much fuel in the manifold even after spinning the engine.
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So maybe a little bad gas caused the initial problem, which I tried to= solve by running the injectors in test mode and made the situation hopeles= s.=A0 Will try again in a few days.
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Thanks for all the help,=A0I just had to vent a little.
=A0
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David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net


On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@c= arolina.rr.com> wrote:

Hi Dave,

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Since you seemed to have checked ev= erything else =96 how about the fuel quality =96 seems that is the only thi= ng you changed since your last flight., Not =A0certain what you meant by re= -drained it=96 is it sure nuff 100LL or Autogas?=A0 Nothing perhaps dilutin= g it?

=A0

=A0

But, other than too much fuel (floo= ding) sounds like you have all the essentials for a running engine.<= /font>

=A0

Ed

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From: Rota= ry motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009= 12:08 AM
To: Rotary mot= ors in aircraft
Subject:= [FlyRotary] WTF? Just when I think everything is going perfect...


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David Leonard

Turbo Rotar= y RV-6 N4VY
= http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.= net



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