Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #47133
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Exit Area [FlyRotary] Re: Water Spray Pump
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:32:21 -0400
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Hi Bobby,

 

The theory I have read indicates that once your open area has passed 25-30% of your core area, that from that point on - exit area dominates. In other words, it does not make much difference how much more you enlarge your inlet area if the air can not get out.  Air pressure simply builds under the cowl in back of the core and restricts further enhancement of thorough flow.  That is if I understood what I read correctly.

 

Ed

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bobby J. Hughes
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 3:52 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Water Spray Pump

 

Bill,

 

I don't think I have a problem getting air out of the cowl.  The exit area is greater than 3X the size of my inlets with no restrictions. The inlet ducts and wedge diffusers tested very good on a bench wind tunnel setup. But I need to review that data  to make sure it's close to my actual flight data. I really don't have any other options for my radiator inlets other than a small enlargement.  My radiators are  2.75" thick and have a denser fin count than the Griffin type Dennis and Tracy are flying. I expect Air Delta T to be better than 81F.

 

Any difference in controlling the inlet air verses traditional cowl flaps on the exit?

 

Bobby

 

 

 

 

 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Schertz
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:07 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Water Spray Pump

Time I chimed in. I have been testing with short flights trying to get my temps in line. I cannot stay at full throttle beyond climbing to ~2500, at which point I throttle back to 5600 - 6000 rpm, and bring the speed up to 110 knots. Temps then stabilize below 200 - 205.

 

As part of my diagnostics, I have always had a air pressure differential measurement from my Blue Mountain (sigh) unit, and it would indicate ~3 to max 4 inches of water pressure difference between the front of the rad and behind it under the cowl.

 

For further information, I have installed a temporary set of pressure probes that run to a manometer in the cabin. This has told me the following:

 

1. The entrance to the rad is getting good pressure 6-7 inches water pressure, but

2. The exit is not functioning well enough, because I get 3-4 inches pressure under the cowl.

 

My theory as to why this is difficult to fully cool includes.

 

1. The cowl was designed for an air cooled engine, rejecting heat at 350 cylinder head temperature, which is a bigger driving force than we have.

2. I used the two cowl inlets in the original cowl to supply the two rads.

3. I have a third entrance for the oil cooler, so I have ~ 50% more airflow to get out of the cowl.

 

Bobby, I would install some manometers to see if it is a problem getting the air in -- or out before you modify your cowling.

Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 10:44 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Water Spray Pump

 

Like Dennis I am having to throttle back and reduce boost after reaching pattern altitude. Flight testing this week showed I can stabilize my oil temp at 220F at 130 mph, 6400 rpm and 30" MP. Air Delta T after my radiators averaged 81F. This power setting gives a 600 fpm climb and about 185-190 HP. Not very impressive for a RV10. My initial climb out was around 1000-1250 fpm with OAT at 95F. Water temp stabilized at 200F.  My oil to water exchanger was transferring 43F to the water.

 

My total inlet area is 58 sqin and 21% of core face. The numbers indicate that opening my inlet area to 68 sqin or 25% should allow me to cool my full net 238 HP.  Before starting major fiberglass work at 102 F I am thinking of testing a super fine mist on the radiators. I would like to see what my oil temps would be if I can drop the water temp by 10-20 degrees. The pump information attached is a 15 bar pump and meets the specification for continuous use and is safe to run dry. It's an espresso machine type pump but does not have on\off time limitations. Other pumps like his have a 1/1 or 2/1 On/Off in minutes for cooling.  If lowering my water temps to 180-185F has a positive effect on oil temps then I will open my radiator duct this fall when it's cooler. Besides, I have another test for this pump. I don't have an intercooler and having a 1 pound 15 bar pump will tempt me to test manifold water injections after my super charger.

 

Bobby

RV-10 SC Renesis.

 


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