X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.103] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3678475 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:47:47 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.217.103; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-146-122-128.mco.bellsouth.net[72.146.122.128]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20090610204710H03004ffkue>; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:47:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [72.146.122.128] From: "Bill Bradburry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Injectors quandary. Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:47:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C9E9EB.203CC650" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnqCV85G6FLoY6XRpqUOAnz+3hnRgAAnVMg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C9E9EB.203CC650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or WitchHunter http://www.witchhunter.com/index.php4 They don't sell injectors, just clean them, but they have a bunch of pictures on their site that may help you find the correct one. What is it about the injectors that doesn't fit? Top or bottom wrong size? Too long? Too fat? When you say you bought the stock Mazda injectors, what generation do you mean? Renesis?? Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of wrjjrs@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:23 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Injectors quandary. Chris, Try calling RC Engineering. They do all kinds of injector cleaning sizing. Kind of like Gami but for cars and motorcycles. They can prrobably advise you on the injectors to use for the size holes you have. Phone is (310) 320 2277, and they are located in Torrance CA. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:37 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Injectors quandary. The list is WAY too quiet. So, I thought I would pose this concern/question. I am wanting to get new/rebuilt injectors. I tried to get some a while back and ordered 4 Mazda injectors. It was at this time I discovered that the stock Mazda injectors do NOT fit the Mistral intake. My former build helper originally found the injectors I have been using. The are seriously mismatched at about 550 cfm and 1600 cfm. I know the EC2 can compensate (perhaps with some difficulty due to the extreme difference), but I am wanting to replace them all with about 550ish injectors. Perhaps it will help some of my leaning issues, perhaps not.. I am having a couple of issues. First, getting the right PHYSICAL size. While the ones I am using in the Mistral Intake look a great deal like the Mazda injectors, they are different in physical dimensions. The ones I have come back with a Chrysler (Deko) and Ford Part numbers, but seem to be very old part numbers have been difficult to find online (my local auto shop and speed shop has been no help...I seem to know more than they do about the topic even though they did try to help). Are there "standard" known physical types with some kind of verbiage that will allow me to get the proper fit? Or do I use my calipers, go for the couple of sets I have found with dimensional drawings, order them and hope for the proper fit? I just do not know the "standards" used and I yet been unable to find the answer online....gee, I may have to resort to live persons in an auto electrical shop . Some of the injectors seems short and stubby and some long and skinny...some, indistinguishable to the untrained eye, like the different ones I have now. I know, due to my ignorance, I may be making this harder than it is, but hey, it is part of the learning. SECOND. Since I am ordering new injectors anyway, I am curious about the impedance. The current ones are low impedance. Thus, I am using the resistors in series with each injector. I know the EC2 does not seem to mind this at all, however, since I am replacing them, is it wise to remove this minor failure point (the connections to the resistors etc) and buy high impedance injectors and remove the resistors? Does one have a significant advantage over the other? Seems if you can reduce the parts count (heh, like in the rotary), it may be better. Thanks guys. Hope this helps pick up list activity a bit too. All the best, Chris Houston -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html _____ Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C9E9EB.203CC650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Or WitchHunter   http://www.witchhunter.com= /index.php4

They don’t sell injectors, just clean them, but they have = a bunch of pictures on their site that may help you find the correct = one.

 

What is it about the injectors that doesn’t fit?  Top = or bottom wrong size?  Too long?  Too fat?  When you say you = bought the stock Mazda injectors, what generation do you mean?  = Renesis??

 

Bill B

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, = 2009 4:23 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Injectors quandary.

Chris,
Try calling RC Engineering. They do all kinds of injector cleaning = sizing. Kind of like Gami but for cars and motorcycles. They can prrobably advise you = on the injectors to use for the size holes you have. Phone is (310) 320 2277, = and they are located in Torrance CA.
Bill Jepson


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Barber <CBarber@TexasAttorney.net>
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:37 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Injectors quandary.

The list is WAY too quiet. So, I thought I would pose this = concern/question. 
 
I am wanting to get new/rebuilt injectors. I tried to get some a while = back and ordered 4 Mazda injectors. It was at this time I discovered that the = stock Mazda injectors do NOT fit the Mistral intake. My former build helper originally found the injectors I have been using. The are seriously = mismatched at about 550 cfm and 1600 cfm. I know the EC2 can compensate (perhaps = with some difficulty due to the extreme difference), but I am wanting to replace = them all with about 550ish injectors. Perhaps it will help some of my leaning = issues, perhaps not.. 
 
I am having a couple of issues. First, getting the right PHYSICAL size. = While the ones I am using in the Mistral Intake look a great deal like the = Mazda injectors, they are different in physical dimensions. The ones I have = come back with a Chrysler (Deko) and Ford Part numbers, but seem to be very old = part numbers have been difficult to find online (my local auto shop and speed = shop has been no help...I seem to know more than they do about the topic even = though they did try to help). Are there "standard" known physical = types with some kind of verbiage that will allow me to get the proper fit? Or do I = use my calipers, go for the couple of sets I have found with dimensional = drawings, order them and hope for the proper fit? I just do not know the "standards" used and I yet been unable to find the answer online....gee, I may have to resort to live persons in an auto = electrical shop <g>. Some of the injectors seems short and stubby and some long = and skinny...some, indistinguishable to the untrained eye, like the = different ones I have now. 
 
I know, due to my ignorance, I may be making this harder than it is, but = hey, it is part of the learning. 
 
SECOND. Since I am ordering new injectors anyway, I am curious about the impedance. The current ones are low impedance. Thus, I am using the = resistors in series with each injector. I know the EC2 does not seem to mind this = at all, however, since I am replacing them, is it wise to remove this minor = failure point (the connections to the resistors etc) and buy high impedance = injectors and remove the resistors? Does one have a significant advantage over the = other? Seems if you can reduce the parts count (heh, like in the rotary), it = may be better. 
 
Thanks guys. Hope this helps pick up list activity a bit too. 
 
All the best, 
 
Chris 
Houston 
 
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