Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #4621
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Expansion Chambers
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:20:32 -0800
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

 

Fellow Rotarians:

I've come to the point where I need to set up the expansion / overflow

system.

My engine guy is saying I can just have an overflow reservoir since the

pressure cap is at the top of the engine. I've read that some 13B flyers (if

not all) have expansion chambers which, in turn, have their own overflow

reservoirs.

 

My understanding of a reservoir is a bottle that holds excess coolant which

is expelled from the pressure cap. The coolant is then sucked back in as the

fluid cools. An expansion chamber is a pressurized bottle, usually made of

aluminum. I beleive it should be 1.5 qts or more.

 

Could someone please correct my understanding where wrong, discuss the pros

and cons of these systems for our purposes, and point me in the right

direction for obtaining / constructing the parts I need?

Regards,

John Slade

 

John;

 

You may recall we had a discussion of this issue a few months back.  My view is that there are 3-basic options discussed below.  I’d suggest that in all cases, the pressure cap be on the intake side of the pump; the lowest pressure point in the system,  otherwise you will have negative pressures at the pump inlet.  That is negative relative to the outside pressure, which at altitude is already low.  My assumption is that there is some risk of pump cavitation at high rpm and negative pressure.

 

1 – Pressure cap on system with overflow bottle.  Coolant expands as the temp goes up.  Pressure increases and coolant is expelled to the overflow bottle.  As the temp goes down pressure goes slightly negative, drawing coolant back in.  Disadvantage is that there are may flight regimes where to will have ambient pressure, or slightly less, in the system.  Any time you reduce power from a prior higher power the pressure is likely to go negative.  Common approach on older vehicles.

 

2 – Pressure cap (maybe 20-25#) on expansion tank, with overflow bottle.  The expansion tank is sized such that it contains sufficient air volume over the coolant to accommodate the expansion of the coolant, probably on the order of 1 quart of air volume (13B).  In this case, the pressure will fluctuate with power level, with the peaks at cap pressure, but won’t go to zero until engine is relatively cool.  The overflow bottle is optional, and generally not used on vehicles that use this setup.  Might be good to have for the cases where you get into some nucleate boiling expansion which may push some coolant out that would recover. 

 

3 – High pressure cap (20-25#) on the system; with overflow bottle that also has pressure cap of lower pressure (14-16#).  Overflow bottle of at least a quart.  This provides the most assurance of positive pressure on the system under all conditions, with immediate high pressure response when you put on the power (and rpm).

 

I don’t really know if option 3 provides a necessary benefit over option 2, but I went that way on the basis that it seemed very little more difficult, and may be better.  The attached pic shows my filler tube on the left which has a 25# cap and connects to the return line to the pump (downstream for the radiators).  It also has the air bleed lines from my two radiators.  The pressurized overflow bottle on the left is a converted fire extinguisher (got it free from extinguisher service place), into which I added a low level warning switch.  The coolant pressure sender is at the outlet from the pump, with an airbleed on top.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Al

 

 

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