X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com ([74.125.46.30] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.13) with ESMTP id 3579660 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:14:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.46.30; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so1860727ywh.7 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:14:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=g8CFTM+f1Zs2FlJ51cbje60bnRnUs/q7YztR0rrWZ/k=; b=UNnGgiSEoGdbr9N5//QsJ6/9iJSDwk6FU70H0KBjsm5A+hlTTSmhnI7KOIdeuEuT9P FvNKgbOgWHfxT5s1F7V+FwfO5i2tZXxbfObUdMCm0gPG6WVBoLfegHWf2MO6LBaSwCIF AzkO2kEfAvttNbTAJD2WhAv7Vs9m5Agtekar0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=U3KRE2HzbaxtawcOhPoMjCovd3hubBxgaTxhqJFrRCL3sxuCncD2lWdhvNumzGJbCx KSeX9HnTjnNjU5MjxjURWh/EA/z2YNSuvsMdps7//XLmvfzEiMvdsEo/YxHqhxoPin20 JBJHUweZNtKdwDsDfTNcjqWDBs3NyUPNghCNI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.66.14 with SMTP id o14mr8767998aga.104.1239653652432; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:14:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:14:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1c23473f0904131314m4f4db0c5k9f3a2801bcf50351@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Engines From: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636163c5f9910550467755b00 --001636163c5f9910550467755b00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > Dave, > Same for me ...........Fun read............My experiences flying as a > crew member for the > Navy were incident-less................Same for my civilian flying except > for check ride for > my seaplane rating in a Lake Amphibian when the nose gear would not extend > after the > ride was complete...........No problem , landed back in the lake and called > the mechanic > who came out and fixed a known problem with this a/c.........Then took off > and returned > to the airport without incident............FAA check pilot did not hold it > against me and did > issue the rating !!.........Interesting though were my many flights in > parachute jump planes > (single and multi-engine both recip and turbine) many of which obviously > suffered from > somewhat iffy maintenance and jumpers just prayed they would climb high > enough to > get out of alive............But never had a problem with any of these a/c > !!............... > -- > Kelly Troyer > "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > Ok Kelly, I am going to have to call BS on that one about incident-less Navy flying. Are you trying to tell me that you NEVER had a flight cancel at the last minute, get cut short, or move to a different aircraft because of a maintenance issue? Really? We are talking about the US Navy, right? Not to say the the Navy is unsafe - their safety record is absolutely outstanding, especially considering the job they do! Your story reminded me of one more incident. While doing the check ride for my multi-rating in a Piper Apache, the examiner's door came open just as we rotated for take off. I had just finished reading an article about someone who crashed in a similar situation by worrying too much about the door an not flying the plane. So when the door came open all I could think about was "just fly the plane." So we flew once around the pattern and came back, landed, closed the door. The problem was that when the door first opened I still had about 7000' of runway and could have easily aborted and taxied back. The instructor very nearly failed me on that one but after I made him read the article he accepted where my misguided mindset was at - and he set my takeoff mindset straight. Most of you probably already know, that mindset should be "looking for a reason to abort until return to runway is not possible, then raise the gear and transition to 'aviate, navigate, communicate" duh! -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net --001636163c5f9910550467755b00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Kelly Troyer <= span dir=3D"ltr"><keltro@att.net&g= t; wrote:
=A0 Dave,
=A0=A0 Same for me ...........Fun read............My experiences flyin= g as a crew member=A0for the
Navy were incident-less................Same for my civilian flying exc= ept for check ride for
my seaplane rating in a Lake Amphibian when the nose gear would not ex= tend after the
ride was complete...........No problem , landed back in the lake and c= alled the mechanic
who came out and fixed a known problem with this a/c.........Then took= off and returned
to the airport without incident............FAA check pilot did not hol= d it against me and did
issue the rating !!.........Interesting though were my many flights in= parachute jump planes
(single and=A0multi-engine both recip and turbine) many of which obvio= usly suffered from
somewhat iffy maintenance and jumpers just prayed they would climb hig= h enough to
get out of alive............But never had a problem with any of these = a/c !!...............
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Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
&q= uot;RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold <= br>
=A0
Ok Kelly, I am going to have to call BS on that one about incident-les= s Navy flying.=A0 Are you trying to tell me that you NEVER had a flight can= cel at the last minute, get cut short, or move to a different aircraft beca= use of a maintenance issue?=A0 Really?=A0 We are talking about the US Navy,= right?
=A0
Not to say the the Navy is unsafe -=A0their safety record is absolutel= y outstanding, especially considering the job they do!
=A0
Your story reminded me of one more incident.=A0 While doing=A0the chec= k ride for my multi-rating in a Piper Apache, the examiner's door came = open just as we rotated for take off.=A0 I had just finished reading an art= icle about someone who crashed in a similar situation by worrying too much = about the door an not flying the plane.=A0 So when the door came open all I= could think about was "just fly the plane."=A0 So we flew once a= round the pattern and came back, landed, closed the door.
=A0
The problem was that when the door first opened=A0I still had about 70= 00' of runway and could have easily aborted and taxied back.=A0 The ins= tructor very nearly failed me on that one but after I made him read the art= icle he accepted where my misguided mindset was at - and he set my takeoff = mindset straight.
=A0
Most of you probably already know, that mindset should be "lookin= g for a reason to abort until return to runway is not possible, then raise = the gear and transition to 'aviate, navigate, communicate"=A0 duh!=

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David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
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