X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.51] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTP id 3390086 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:23:12 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.51; envelope-from=ceengland@bellsouth.net Received: from [192.168.10.7] (adsl-147-254-217.jan.bellsouth.net[72.147.254.217]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with ESMTP id <20081221012236H0100fl0k8e>; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:22:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [72.147.254.217] Message-ID: <494D9A5B.7040706@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:22:35 -0600 From: Charlie England User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081031 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: engine preservation References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I drove one for a couple of years that had sticking seals. ATF was effective in getting it cranked (got pretty good at doing it fairly quickly) & don't remember waiting overnight. I always assumed that it just supplied enough extra oil to get the compression up enough to crank & run, after which the seal(s) would loosen up enough for the engine to start & run normally for a few months/weeks/days. Charlie Ed Anderson wrote: > > Greg, using ATF is a “common” method of freeing up stuck Apex seals. > When left sitting for long periods, people who owned older RX-7s would > go out one morning and attempt to start their autos. They would hit > the ignition and the engine would wiz over with no compression. A > number decided that the *&@) engine was shot and practically give a > way the auto and engine. > > Pull a spark plug from each chamber, pour in some ATF, Marvel Mystery > oil, WD-40 or your favorite light weight oil , let it sit a while > (over night seemed to be the most common waiting period) and the next > morning – Zooooommmmmmm!! Compression and a running engine. > > So for old engine or engines with worn or stuck seals, a fluid like > ATF may help compression at lower rpm and assist in starting, I doubt > very seriously they would do anything for you at higher rpm. But, > someone like Lynn could enlighten us all about this “urban myth”. > > Ed > > Ed Anderson > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > Matthews, NC > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > http://www.andersonee.com > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *On Behalf Of *Greg Ward > *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2008 8:54 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: engine preservation > > **I just read a great article on running ATF through the Rotary, > supposedly to loosen up the apex seals, etc. (high detergent level). > Raves on about having done this multiple times in many engines, and > supposedly power increases of up to 20% +. Anybody done this? Results?** > > **Thanks;** > > **Greg Ward** > > **Lancair 20B N178RG in Progress** > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* John Downing > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2008 5:35 PM > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] engine preservation > > Lynn, thanks for the heads up on the engine. Even though it is in > a heated garage with hot water heat in the floor, I pulled the > plugs and put oil in each rotor cavity and rolled it over 8 > revolutions and duct taped the exhaust. That should even oil the > muffler bearings when I start it again. JohnD > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM > >