X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3374590 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:00:58 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.123; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from computername ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081220120019.SOPS26227.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@computername> for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:00:19 +0000 From: "Ed Anderson" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: engine preservation Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:00:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C96270.9FCAD860" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcliRAgariO0Sag/Tx2u0BoVE4lTTgAVWZYw Message-Id: <20081220120019.SOPS26227.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@computername> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C96270.9FCAD860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg, using ATF is a "common" method of freeing up stuck Apex seals. When left sitting for long periods, people who owned older RX-7s would go out one morning and attempt to start their autos. They would hit the ignition and the engine would wiz over with no compression. A number decided that the *&@) engine was shot and practically give a way the auto and engine. Pull a spark plug from each chamber, pour in some ATF, Marvel Mystery oil, WD-40 or your favorite light weight oil , let it sit a while (over night seemed to be the most common waiting period) and the next morning - Zooooommmmmmm!! Compression and a running engine. So for old engine or engines with worn or stuck seals, a fluid like ATF may help compression at lower rpm and assist in starting, I doubt very seriously they would do anything for you at higher rpm. But, someone like Lynn could enlighten us all about this "urban myth". Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:54 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: engine preservation I just read a great article on running ATF through the Rotary, supposedly to loosen up the apex seals, etc. (high detergent level). Raves on about having done this multiple times in many engines, and supposedly power increases of up to 20% +. Anybody done this? Results? Thanks; Greg Ward Lancair 20B N178RG in Progress ----- Original Message ----- From: John Downing To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] engine preservation Lynn, thanks for the heads up on the engine. Even though it is in a heated garage with hot water heat in the floor, I pulled the plugs and put oil in each rotor cavity and rolled it over 8 revolutions and duct taped the exhaust. That should even oil the muffler bearings when I start it again. JohnD __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C96270.9FCAD860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greg, using ATF  is a = “common” method of freeing up stuck Apex seals.  When left sitting for long periods, people who owned older RX-7s would go out one morning and = attempt to start their autos. They would hit the ignition and the engine would wiz = over with no compression.  A number decided that the *&@) engine was = shot and practically give a way the auto and engine. =

 

Pull a spark plug from  each = chamber, pour in some ATF, Marvel Mystery oil, WD-40 or your favorite light = weight oil , let it sit a while (over night seemed to be the most common waiting = period) and the next morning – Zooooommmmmmm!! Compression and a running = engine.

 

So for old engine or engines with = worn or stuck seals, a fluid like ATF may help compression at lower rpm and = assist in starting, I doubt very seriously they would do anything for you at = higher rpm.  But, someone like Lynn could enlighten us all about this “urban = myth”.

 

Ed

 

Ed Anderson

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary = Powered

Matthews, NC

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From: = Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg = Ward
Sent: Friday, December = 19, 2008 8:54 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = engine preservation

 

I just read a great article on running ATF = through the Rotary, supposedly to loosen up the apex seals, etc. (high detergent level).  Raves on about having done this multiple times in many = engines, and supposedly power increases of up to 20% +.  Anybody done = this?  Results?

Thanks;<= /p>

Greg = Ward

Lancair 20B N178RG in = Progress

----- Original Message ----- =

From: John Downing

Sent: Friday, = December 19, 2008 5:35 PM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] engine preservation

 

Lynn, thanks for the heads up on the engine.  Even though it is in a heated garage = with hot water heat in the floor, I pulled the plugs and put oil in each rotor = cavity and rolled it over 8 revolutions and duct taped the exhaust.  That = should even oil the muffler bearings when I start it again.  = JohnD



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