Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #44460
From: Christopher Barber <CBarber@TexasAttorney.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: TX Rotary Velocity update
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:54:55 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Lynn,
 
As I have discussed a bit on various sites, there was even a write up about it in an issue of Contact Magazine a short while back, the Jeffco I used peeled off.  I built the strakes at different times in my garage but had the Jeffco flake off in both strakes.  However, the sump, built at even a different time was perfect with no issue with Jeffco.  I am certain I sanded/prepped properly but the problem will likely remain a mystery.  I did send a sample of my failure and they are as baffled as I.  I have not yet sent any to the new owners of Jeffco.
 
WELL, to eliminate the Jeffco as an issue I rebuilt the strake interior skins with EZPoxy and bid.  As I have stated, I used the Jeffco to help ensure resistance to various fuel types...such as Diesel and/or fuel additives..  I considered the Detlahawk back in the day before I chose the Mazda rotary.
 
Anyway, I cut the top sections off each tank section leaving a lip on each so as to be able to set repaired pieces into the cutout later.  I laboriously sanded and ground out the old Jeffco from the inner walls.  I cut out a couple of inner walls completely to determine if that may be an easier process.  I determined It was better to remove the bad product instead of removing the entire wall.  I figured if I only sanded the stuff off, even if I got too aggressive in places it was easier to repair the small area, especially since I was going to be adding new layers of glass throughout then entire tank area.  This also allowed me to feel better about the structural integrity of the strake walls and baffles.  I still am uncertain how much the baffles add to the integrity of the strake/wing as to flexing etc, but I figured I did not want to worry about it.  I have wondered about removing all the baffles and just install an aluminum tank  with aluminum baffles in the new tank shell.....but that will hopefully remain only an idle speculation.
 
So, after grinding off the Jeffco, I laid in new bid throughout the tanks with heavy applications of EZPoxy.  I spoke to Velocity who told me they started using Jeffco more to address issues that had NOT ever presented themselves, but to minimize the concerns of customers.  They had not experienced problems with EZ10/EZ83 in tank applications even with ethanol added in auto fuels.  IIRC, as I mentioned here before, Velocity has a customer who builds motorcycle fuel tanks out of fiberglass. This customer did some research who determined that EZPoxy turned out to be the better/best epoxy to use with Auto fuel.
 
I tested the repairs before I replaced the strake top sections with water.  I filled the strakes with water and let it sit overnight.  Everything held.  Put the nose several feet in the air and the water did not leak.
 
I also repaired the sections I cut out of the strake tops by grinding off the Jeffco and adding new/additional glass.  I added more lip area around all the cut openings so the cut out pieces to sit on.  Once all was prepared, I did a heavy flox application on the lips and placed the tops on top of the lips, weighted it all down and crossed my fingers.  Well, the pilot side sealed completely (yeah, it was the side I cut up second, thus my process had improves....hey, if ever there is a second plane built it will certainly be twice as good in half the time <g>),the copilot side took a bit of leak searching.  I put a balloon over the vent outlet and blew compressed air into the fuel outlet while spraying soapy water over the repaired area. WOW, some of the leaks were huge.  How did that happen.  Oh well.  I cut the outer skin off until I found the leak, repaired the area and after about two days of the process was finally able to get both sides to hold air. 
 
Once the balloons stayed full I went to making the tops look pretty by adding blue foam where I had to be more aggressive on the outer skin repair, applied micro to seal seams etc and laid down new glass over the entire area.  A few days ago I applied micro and last night I calibrated the fuel gauges to 25 gallons and started the engine briefly.  I have some pix of the process that I will likely post on CanardZone and place link here for the curious.
 
You had to ask a person willing to share the gory details <g>
 
So, build on.......
 
All the best,
 
Chris
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: TX Rotary Velocity update

In a message dated 12/6/2008 10:25:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CBarber@TexasAttorney.net writes:
As y'all likely remember I had to redo my strakes following finding my Jeffco fuel tank sealant had failed a few months ago. A few days ago I applied some micro on my hopefully now repaired strakes. I still have to smooth and pretty up the micro, but to get away from the fiberglass work for a bit I decided to add fuel to my new strake tanks and calibrate my newly installed Atkinson fuel gages.

I had about 25 gallons that I added one gallon at a time, 1/2 gallon to each side. The Velocity has a center sump tank that the two strake tanks dump into. So I added fuel to each side in approximately equal amounts to allow everything to equalize better. I filled the sump tank first and it took just under five gallons. Nothing seemed to leak confirming my air pressure test with balloons a while back.
What method, materials did you use to repair your fuel tanks. You cannot be the only one having this problem.
 
Thank you.
 
Lynn E. Hanover



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