X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.163] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3333940 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:05:45 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.47.199.163; envelope-from=lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca Received: from simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.87]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20081206140503.ZZEE1658.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:05:03 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAJ8ROkmOp02e/2dsb2JhbACCcMpBgwU Received: from fctnnbsc14w-142167077158.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net (HELO PCdeRita) ([142.167.77.158]) by simip9-ac.srvr.bell.ca with SMTP; 06 Dec 2008 09:11:40 -0500 Message-ID: <4EBAB62EA5BA4A9880AE0D74617AF0D8@PCdeRita> From: "Rino" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Heating your Hanger ?? Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:04:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9578A.18782480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9578A.18782480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My first choice for keeping layups warm or hot is a 1500 W heater with = cardboard panels to direct rhe heat and enclose it. Rino in Edmundston, it is -20 C this morning! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: neilak@sympatico.ca=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Heating your Hanger ?? Matt, =20 Here are a few tricks for cold weather fibre-glassing I = gleaned over the years; =20 Hot box for the resin is a must if you're doing layups on = a regular basis. If not, save energy and leave the resin cold. When = some is needed, dispense what you need and stick it in the microwave = oven for a few seconds. Eg, 20CC of resin only needs 6 seconds in the = nuclear oven.=20 =20 As Chris mentioned, a heat gun. I use a heat gun on all = layups regardless of temp. When applying micro, hit the back of the = trowel with the heat gun as you're spreading. =20 Peel-ply is your friend. I use is wherever I can. With = peel-ply on you part, you can cover it over with a plastic sheet and not = worry about touching. Now the real trick. cover the plastic with an = electric blanket and then that with an old quilt (for added insulation = from the cold) =20 =20 Build a hot box out of 1" Styrofoam big enough for small = parts. Add a 20w to 40w light bulb and a cheap thermostat. A muffin = fan doesn't hurt either. You can get a thermostat used for electric = baseboard heaters from Home Depot or the like. =20 Hope that helps. =20 Neil in Toronto =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Christopher Barber Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:33 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Heating your Hanger ?? =20 Our hangar has a heater that actually does a pretty good job of = warming it up a bit. Several degrees anyway with all the doors closed. I = used a heat gun last week to lay micro and it worked very well. =20 When I was still in my garage, I made heat tents to let the layup = cure. I would drape a thick plastic sheet over the layup with = stand-offs to prevent it from laying on the part and would put a small = electrical heater with a blower on one end of the tent. This worked = very well for me. I remember specifically for my canard and elevators. = =20 Even a heat gun will really make a difference during the lay ups if = you want to work in the cold, which I did. You will have to wait longer = for cure. When hot, I have never not had a cured to the touch when = coming in the next day, however, when cold a layup may still be tacky = upon my return several hours later the next day. =20 Hope some of this helps. =20 All the best, =20 Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matt Stecher=20 To: Richard Sessions ; Chris Barber=20 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Heating your Hanger ?? =20 Richard and Chris, =20 Hope you are doing well and just wanted to let you know that I am = enjoying the meetings and hope to get more involved with the chapter. =20 But the real reason for my email is to ask what you two do to heat = you hanger when its to cold for glass work? =20 My right inside fuse layup went ok with temps just above 70, but the = left side is filled with voids after cure when the temps were just over = 60 and then it dipped into the 70's during the night. the=20 I have just finished a heat box to keep my epoxy warm between work = sessions, but need some way to get a two car garage to about 75 degrees = to get any work done during the winter. =20 Take care and fly safe, Matt Stecher ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9578A.18782480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My first choice for keeping layups warm = or hot is a=20 1500 W heater with cardboard panels to direct rhe heat and enclose=20 it.
 
Rino in Edmundston,  it is -20 C = this=20 morning!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 neilak@sympatico.ca
Sent: Saturday, December 06, = 2008 8:35=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Heating your=20 Hanger ??

Matt,

 

           = =20 Here are a few tricks for cold weather fibre-glassing I gleaned over = the=20 years;

 

           = =20 Hot box for the resin is a must if you=92re doing layups on a regular = basis.=20  If not, save energy and leave the resin cold.  When some is = needed,=20 dispense what you need and stick it in the microwave oven for a few=20 seconds.  Eg, 20CC of resin only needs 6 seconds in the nuclear = oven.=20

 

           = =20 As Chris mentioned, a heat gun.  I use a heat gun on all layups=20 regardless of temp.  When applying micro, hit the back of the = trowel with=20 the heat gun as you=92re spreading.

 

           = =20 Peel-ply is your friend.  I use is wherever I can.  With = peel-ply on=20 you part, you can cover it over with a plastic sheet and not worry = about=20 touching.  Now the real trick=85 cover the plastic with an = electric blanket=20 and then that with an old quilt (for added insulation from the = cold) =20

 

           = =20 Build a hot box out of 1=94 Styrofoam big enough for small parts. =  Add a=20 20w to 40w light bulb and a cheap thermostat.  A muffin fan = doesn=92t hurt=20 either.  You can get a thermostat used for electric baseboard = heaters=20 from Home Depot or the like.

 

Hope that=20 helps.

 

Neil in=20 Toronto

 

           = =20

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Christopher Barber
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 = 7:33=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Heating your=20 Hanger ??

 

Our hangar has a heater = that=20 actually does a pretty good job of warming it up a bit. Several = degrees=20 anyway with all the doors closed. I used a heat gun last = week to lay=20 micro and it worked very well.

 

When I was still in my = garage, I=20 made heat tents to let the layup cure.  I would drape a thick = plastic=20 sheet over the layup with stand-offs to prevent it from laying on the = part and=20 would put a small electrical heater with a blower on one end of the=20 tent.  This worked very well for me.  I remember = specifically for my=20 canard and elevators. 

 

Even a heat gun will = really make a=20 difference during the lay ups if you want to work in the cold, which I = did.  You will have to wait longer for cure.  When hot, I = have never=20 not had a cured to the touch when coming in the next day, however, = when cold a=20 layup may still be tacky upon my return several hours later the next=20 day.

 

Hope some of this=20 helps.

 

All the=20 best,

 

Chris

----- Original Message = -----=20

From: Matt=20 Stecher

To: Richard Sessions ; Chris Barber=20

Sent: Friday,=20 December 05, 2008 5:30 PM

Subject: Heating=20 your Hanger ??

 

Richard = and=20 Chris,

 

Hope you = are doing=20 well and just wanted to let you know that I am enjoying the meetings = and=20 hope to get more involved with the=20 chapter.

 

But the = real reason=20 for my email is to ask what you two do to heat you hanger when = its to=20 cold for glass work?

 

My right = inside=20 fuse layup went ok with temps just above 70, but the left side is = filled=20 with voids after cure when the temps were just over 60 and then it = dipped=20 into the 70's during the night.

the=20

I have = just=20 finished a heat box to keep my epoxy warm between work sessions, but = need=20 some way to get a two car garage to about 75 degrees to get any work = done=20 during the winter.

 

Take care = and fly=20 safe,

Matt=20 = Stecher

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