X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from host.roblinphoto.com ([72.52.218.78] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.8) with ESMTPS id 3197443 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:38:37 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=72.52.218.78; envelope-from=bob@bob-white.com Received: from c-68-35-160-229.hsd1.nm.comcast.net ([68.35.160.229]:59471 helo=quail) by host.roblinphoto.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KlaYM-00058P-35 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:38:02 -0600 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:32:17 -0600 From: Bob White To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: How to use an automotive tach with Tracy's EC2 (or EC3) Message-Id: <20081002203217.4dc60b62.bob@bob-white.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.12.0; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.roblinphoto.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bob-white.com John Downing contacted me several months ago asking if there was a way to use an automotive tach with his EC2. I built a circuit that was triggered from the rotor 1 and rotor 2 primary EFI signals (Tracy uses one of them to feed rpm data to the EM2). The output was conditioned to provide an output pulse of constant width each time either rotor primary fuel injector was triggered. If you have been following John's messages to this list, you will know that it didn't work. Even though the tach is connected to the low voltage side of the coil, it use the higher voltage spike that is generated there when the coil field collapses. There may be tachs out there that aren't set up that way because of the prevalence of computer controlled autos, but this type of tach is still common. After some web searching, I found a web site where someone had modified his tach to operate from a low voltage signal on a Prius. see http://www.techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/tachack/ John's tach looks exactly like the one described in that web site, but there were some differences in the circuitry. For one thing, the input signal first went through a diode, then there were a couple of capacitors. None of these were on the circuit described on this site. Also, the resistor values were different throughout. Much of the circuitry was similar however. Using this information as a guide, I made the following changes to John's tach. 1) Reduced the voltage divider ratio as described on the web page. 2) Bypassed the input diode. The tach wouldn't respond to the low voltage pulse through the diode. 3) Doubled the value of the timing capacitor. This mod was needed to get the correct reading with only one pulse per revolution. The typical 4 cylinder engine outputs two pulses per revolution but it's much more convenient to use one pulse per revolution with the EC2. 4) Adjusted the calibration pot to read 6000 rpm with 1 pulse per 10 ms. (100 pulses per second = 6000 pulses per minute.) I will also use a simple opamp to double the 5V signal from the EC2 to 10V. There is probably some way to get it to trigger down to 5 volts, but after trying several mods I couldn't find it. Changing the voltage divider ratio didn't do it (much to my surprise). After all changes, the tach quit working as soon as I hit 6V, so instead of fighting it I'll just add the opamp. The opamp will also provide a higher level of isolation between the tach and the coil trigger signal. The web site does an excellent job of explaining the theory and circuit operation for this type of tach. I haven't given specific values because the values needed will depend on the specific design of the tach used. Tracy uses the injector signal to measure rpm with the EM2, but the coil signal will be used to trigger this tach because the injector signal changes pulse width as the engine load changes. If the pulse duty cycle gets too long, it could cause an error in the tach reading. FWIW, and YMMV Bob W. -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/cables/