X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.184] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTPS id 2977713 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:12:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.184; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d58-104-215-70.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [58.104.215.70]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id m5L7BV6p028487 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:11:31 +1000 Message-ID: <003601c8d36e$0b0f1420$6400a8c0@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral/ Intake manifolds Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:11:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8D3C1.DC228DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8D3C1.DC228DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jarrett, 43mmID , exactly the same as Powersport, theirs was 1 11/16 - we can = split the difference if you want. I will show the maths and you can work through it to satisfy yourself. Powersport's length was 24" to 25". The object of the exercise is to keep the inlet velocity high IMHO. Again I will send under seperate cover - just in case it gets hung-up. George (down under)=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: H & J Johnson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral/ Intake manifolds George mind sharing on-list what kinda Intake sizing have you figured = out? Jarrett > Greg,=20 > Their intake is very good, I prompted Francois on going PP but he=20 > wasn't interested - claiming PP =3Dreduced longevity. Of course any=20 > engine running harder will not last as long and their aiming for=20 > longevity.=20 > So the intake is a 4 port ( I think), pretty standard construction=20 > but with a very nice fuel catcher, very neat indeed.=20 >=20 > I really couldn't give any idea on which intake is the best, as=20 > you say their all different but if you come up with a good design=20 > and it is proven and cost effective, your on a winner. I'm sure=20 > Mistral wouldn't mind the competition.=20 >=20 > I passed the exhaust design on to PL's site, so I will pass them=20 > on here it your interested.=20 >=20 > Greg I also have some calculations on intake sizing, if your=20 > interested - if it helps.=20 >=20 > George (down under)=20 > Hey George;=20 > I have no argument with that, and my sympathy goes to them on=20 > their recent crash, but they could at least return an email or a=20 > call and tell me to go to hell. Didn't even get that, and I may=20 > have been a potential client for an engine. Not a good way to do=20 > Public Relations, and I being in business, can relate to that.=20 > Greg=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: George Lendich=20 > To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:57 PM=20 > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral/ Intake manifolds=20 >=20 >=20 > Greg,=20 > To be fair, their up to their neck in work trying to get their=20 > own development sorted out, this last problem with the exhaust=20 > wasn't particularly helpful.=20 > The problem is, from what I hear, that us experimental chaps=20 > take up a lot of time and they haven't got the time to put to such=20 > small sales. Things may be better down the track, when they have=20 > everything sorted.=20 >=20 > I've even offered Mistral details of an exhaust that Bill=20 > Jepson and I have been working on and they didn't even respond to=20 > that, I"M SURE only because they haven't got the time=20 > George (down under)=20 > If you knew what I have been going through getting a turbo=20 > manifold for a 20B built, you wouldn't even try. I tried=20 > communicating with Mistral several times about one of their=20 > manifolds, there was no interest in helping me out.=20 > Greg Ward=20 > Lancair 20B in progress=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: H & J Johnson=20 > To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:51 AM=20 > Subject: [FlyRotary] Mistral/ Intake manifolds=20 >=20 >=20 > Just thought I'd ask around. A few people purchased intake=20 > manifolds from Mistral and I'm trying to find out a few things=20 > about them.=20 >=20 > First of all, what versions of the 13B did they fit? How=20 > much do they weigh? Originally, what were they selling them for.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > As I understand it, they no longer sell them to joe-=20 > public, nor do the new unit's fit on the standard 13B? Are there=20 > builders out there who would prefer to buy a ready to install=20 > manifold for their projects?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks guy's!=20 >=20 > Jarrett Johnson=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=20 >=20 > Archive and UnSub: =20 > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------=20 > -------=20 >=20 >=20 > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.=20 > Checked by AVG.=20 > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1469 - Release=20 > Date: 27/05/2008 1:25 PM=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------=20 > -----------=20 >=20 >=20 > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.=20 > Checked by AVG.=20 > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1469 - Release Date:=20 > 27/05/2008 1:25 PM=20 >=20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. 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Jarrett,
43mmID , exactly the same as = Powersport, theirs was=20 1 11/16 - we can split the difference if you want.
I will show the maths and you can work = through it=20 to satisfy yourself.
Powersport's length was 24" to = 25".
The object of the exercise is to keep = the inlet=20 velocity high IMHO.
Again I will send under seperate cover = - just in=20 case it gets hung-up.
George (down under) 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 H & J=20 Johnson
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 = 1:09=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Mistral/ Intake=20 manifolds

George mind sharing on-list what kinda Intake sizing have = you=20 figured out?

 

Jarrett

 

> Greg,
> Their intake is very good, I prompted Francois = on going=20 PP but he
> wasn't interested - claiming PP =3Dreduced = longevity. Of=20 course any
> engine running harder will not last as long and = their=20 aiming for
> longevity.
> So the intake is a 4 port ( I = think),=20 pretty standard construction
> but with a very nice fuel = catcher, very=20 neat indeed.
>
> I really couldn't give any idea on = which intake=20 is the best, as
> you say their all different but if you come = up with a=20 good design
> and it is proven and cost effective, your on a = winner.=20 I'm sure
> Mistral wouldn't mind the competition.
> =
> I=20 passed the exhaust design on to PL's site, so I will pass them =
> on=20 here it your interested.
>
> Greg I also have some = calculations=20 on intake sizing, if your
> interested - if it helps.
> =
>=20 George (down under)
>  Hey George;
>  I have = no=20 argument with that, and my sympathy goes to them on
> their = recent=20 crash, but they could at least return an email or a
> call and = tell me=20 to go to hell.  Didn't even get that, and I may
> have = been a=20 potential client for an engine.  Not a good way to do
> = Public=20 Relations, and I being in business, can relate to that.
>  = Greg=20
>    ----- Original Message -----=20
>    From: George Lendich =
>    To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft
>    Sent: Friday, = June 20,=20 2008 3:57 PM
>    Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Mistral/=20 Intake manifolds
>
>
>    Greg,=20
>    To be fair, their up to their neck in work = trying=20 to get their
> own development sorted out, this last problem = with the=20 exhaust
> wasn't particularly helpful. =
>    The=20 problem is, from what I hear, that us experimental chaps
> take = up a=20 lot of time and they haven't got the time to put to such
> = small sales.=20 Things may be better down the track, when they have
> = everything=20 sorted.
>
>    I've even offered Mistral = details=20 of an exhaust that Bill
> Jepson and I have been working on and = they=20 didn't even respond to
> that, I"M SURE only because they = haven't got=20 the time
>    George (down under)=20
>      If you knew what I have been = going=20 through getting a turbo
> manifold for a 20B built, you = wouldn't even=20 try.  I tried
> communicating with Mistral several times = about one=20 of their
> manifolds, there was no interest in helping me out.=20
>      Greg Ward=20
>      Lancair 20B in progress=20
>        ----- Original = Message=20 -----
>        From: H & = J=20 Johnson
>        To: Rotary = motors=20 in aircraft
>        Sent: = Friday,=20 June 20, 2008 7:51 AM =
>       =20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Mistral/ Intake manifolds
>
>=20
>        Just thought I'd = ask=20 around. A few people purchased intake
> manifolds from Mistral = and I'm=20 trying to find out a few things
> about them.
>=20
>        First of all, what = versions=20 of the 13B did they fit? How
> much do they weigh? Originally, = what=20 were they selling them for.
>
>
>=20
>        As I understand it, = they no=20 longer sell them to joe-
> public, nor do the new unit's fit on = the=20 standard 13B? Are there
> builders out there who would prefer = to buy a=20 ready to install
> manifold for their projects?
> =
>=20
>
>        Thanks = guy's!=20
>
>        Jarrett = Johnson=20
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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