X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.17] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2977444 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:23:07 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.17; envelope-from=gregw@onestopdesign.biz Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gDf21Z0050QuhwU5A0jD00; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:22:29 +0000 Received: from gregoryii ([24.6.40.29]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gRNT1Z0050dkeQQ3NRNTWZ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:22:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OWiqdFCM434A:10 a=O3ITPTBZzRAA:10 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=KusE3c60NykukO5TTgIA:9 a=fdjvxObZTOGBVblbB1EA:7 a=ennrILBeWrJcjL3iJ3wOJddcZ-AA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=FqHxcHXIiVBiBF6ZcJEA:9 a=rL0u8u8V0rAebz-K2eMA:7 a=Cl4soLMzArin3pCIPBXbFQa642YA:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=Hs9J3SXIuHcA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: From: "Greg Ward" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral/ Intake manifolds Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:25:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013F_01C8D303.08FB2AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01C8D303.08FB2AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks George, any information you can give me would be appreciated. If = I see something I like, I jump on it, especially if it proves safer, = faster, more efficient, and last, prettier......(:-) Definitely want to = see your exhaust design and calcs, to compare with what I am doing, = thanks. Where is PL's site? Regards; Greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Lendich=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral/ Intake manifolds Greg, Their intake is very good, I prompted Francois on going PP but he = wasn't interested - claiming PP =3Dreduced longevity. Of course any = engine running harder will not last as long and their aiming for = longevity. So the intake is a 4 port ( I think), pretty standard construction but = with a very nice fuel catcher, very neat indeed. I really couldn't give any idea on which intake is the best, as you = say their all different but if you come up with a good design and it is = proven and cost effective, your on a winner. I'm sure Mistral wouldn't = mind the competition. I passed the exhaust design on to PL's site, so I will pass them on = here it your interested. Greg I also have some calculations on intake sizing, if your = interested - if it helps. George (down under) Hey George; I have no argument with that, and my sympathy goes to them on their = recent crash, but they could at least return an email or a call and tell = me to go to hell. Didn't even get that, and I may have been a potential = client for an engine. Not a good way to do Public Relations, and I = being in business, can relate to that. Greg=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Lendich=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral/ Intake manifolds Greg, To be fair, their up to their neck in work trying to get their own = development sorted out, this last problem with the exhaust wasn't = particularly helpful. The problem is, from what I hear, that us experimental chaps take = up a lot of time and they haven't got the time to put to such small = sales. Things may be better down the track, when they have everything = sorted. I've even offered Mistral details of an exhaust that Bill Jepson = and I have been working on and they didn't even respond to that, I"M = SURE only because they haven't got the time George (down under)=20 If you knew what I have been going through getting a turbo = manifold for a 20B built, you wouldn't even try. I tried communicating = with Mistral several times about one of their manifolds, there was no = interest in helping me out. Greg Ward Lancair 20B in progress ----- Original Message -----=20 From: H & J Johnson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:51 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Mistral/ Intake manifolds Just thought I'd ask around. A few people purchased intake = manifolds from Mistral and I'm trying to find out a few things about = them. First of all, what versions of the 13B did they fit? How much = do they weigh? Originally, what were they selling them for. As I understand it, they no longer sell them to joe-public, = nor do the new unit's fit on the standard 13B? Are there builders out = there who would prefer to buy a ready to install manifold for their = projects? Thanks guy's! Jarrett Johnson -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1469 - Release Date: = 27/05/2008 1:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. 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Thanks George, any information you can give me = would be=20 appreciated.  If I see something I like, I jump on it, especially = if it=20 proves safer, faster, more efficient, and last, prettier......(:-)  = Definitely want to see your exhaust design and calcs, to compare with = what I am=20 doing, thanks.  Where is PL's site?
Regards;
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 George=20 Lendich
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 = 5:34 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Mistral/ Intake=20 manifolds

Greg,
Their intake is very good, I prompted = Francois on=20 going PP but he wasn't interested - claiming PP =3Dreduced longevity. = Of course=20 any engine running harder will not last as long and their aiming for=20 longevity.
 
So the intake is a 4 port ( I think), = pretty=20 standard construction but with a very nice fuel catcher, very neat=20 indeed.
 
I really couldn't give any idea on = which intake=20 is the best, as you say their all different but if you come up with a = good=20 design and it is proven and cost effective, your on a winner. I'm sure = Mistral=20 wouldn't mind the competition.
 
I passed the exhaust design on to = PL's site, so I=20 will pass them on here it your interested.
 
Greg I also have some calculations on = intake=20 sizing, if your interested - if it helps.
 
George (down under)
Hey George;
I have no argument with that, and my = sympathy goes to=20 them on their recent crash, but they could at least return an email = or a=20 call and tell me to go to hell.  Didn't even get that, and I = may have=20 been a potential client for an engine.  Not a good way to do = Public=20 Relations, and I being in business, can relate to that.
Greg
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 George Lendich
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 = 3:57=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Mistral/=20 Intake manifolds

Greg,
To be fair, their up to their = neck in work=20 trying to get their own development sorted out, this last problem = with the=20 exhaust wasn't particularly helpful.
The problem is, from what I hear, = that us=20 experimental chaps take up a lot of time and they haven't got = the=20 time to put to such small sales. Things may be better down the = track, when=20 they have everything sorted.
 
I've even offered Mistral details = of an=20 exhaust that Bill Jepson and I have been working on and they = didn't even=20 respond to that, I"M SURE only because they haven't got the=20 time
George (down = under) 
If you knew what I have been going = through getting=20 a turbo manifold for a 20B built, you wouldn't even try.  I = tried=20 communicating with Mistral several times about one of their = manifolds,=20 there was no interest in helping me out.
Greg Ward
Lancair 20B in progress
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 H=20 & J Johnson
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Sent: Friday, June 20, = 2008 7:51=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Mistral/=20 Intake manifolds

Just thought I'd ask around. A few people purchased intake=20 manifolds from Mistral and I'm trying to find out a few things = about=20 them.

First of all, what versions of the 13B did they fit? How = much do=20 they weigh? Originally, what were they selling them for.

 

As I understand it, they no longer sell them to joe-public, = nor do=20 the new unit's fit on the standard 13B? Are there builders out = there=20 who would prefer to buy a ready to install manifold for their=20 projects?

 

Thanks guy's!

Jarrett Johnson

 

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