X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.188] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTPS id 2977421 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:35:38 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.188; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d58-104-215-70.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [58.104.215.70]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id m5L0YrPh009209 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:34:54 +1000 Message-ID: <001601c8d336$a291ad90$6400a8c0@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral/ Intake manifolds Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:34:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8D38A.7351D6F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8D38A.7351D6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg, Their intake is very good, I prompted Francois on going PP but he wasn't = interested - claiming PP =3Dreduced longevity. Of course any engine = running harder will not last as long and their aiming for longevity. So the intake is a 4 port ( I think), pretty standard construction but = with a very nice fuel catcher, very neat indeed. I really couldn't give any idea on which intake is the best, as you say = their all different but if you come up with a good design and it is = proven and cost effective, your on a winner. I'm sure Mistral wouldn't = mind the competition. I passed the exhaust design on to PL's site, so I will pass them on here = it your interested. Greg I also have some calculations on intake sizing, if your interested = - if it helps. George (down under) Hey George; I have no argument with that, and my sympathy goes to them on their = recent crash, but they could at least return an email or a call and tell = me to go to hell. Didn't even get that, and I may have been a potential = client for an engine. Not a good way to do Public Relations, and I = being in business, can relate to that. Greg=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Lendich=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral/ Intake manifolds Greg, To be fair, their up to their neck in work trying to get their own = development sorted out, this last problem with the exhaust wasn't = particularly helpful. The problem is, from what I hear, that us experimental chaps take up = a lot of time and they haven't got the time to put to such small sales. = Things may be better down the track, when they have everything sorted. I've even offered Mistral details of an exhaust that Bill Jepson and = I have been working on and they didn't even respond to that, I"M SURE = only because they haven't got the time George (down under)=20 If you knew what I have been going through getting a turbo = manifold for a 20B built, you wouldn't even try. I tried communicating = with Mistral several times about one of their manifolds, there was no = interest in helping me out. Greg Ward Lancair 20B in progress ----- Original Message -----=20 From: H & J Johnson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:51 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Mistral/ Intake manifolds Just thought I'd ask around. A few people purchased intake = manifolds from Mistral and I'm trying to find out a few things about = them. First of all, what versions of the 13B did they fit? How much do = they weigh? Originally, what were they selling them for. As I understand it, they no longer sell them to joe-public, nor = do the new unit's fit on the standard 13B? Are there builders out there = who would prefer to buy a ready to install manifold for their projects? Thanks guy's! Jarrett Johnson -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1469 - Release Date: = 27/05/2008 1:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1469 - Release Date: = 27/05/2008 1:25 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8D38A.7351D6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greg,
Their intake is very good, I prompted = Francois on=20 going PP but he wasn't interested - claiming PP =3Dreduced longevity. Of = course=20 any engine running harder will not last as long and their aiming for=20 longevity.
 
So the intake is a 4 port ( I think), = pretty=20 standard construction but with a very nice fuel catcher, very neat=20 indeed.
 
I really couldn't give any idea on = which intake is=20 the best, as you say their all different but if you come up with a good = design=20 and it is proven and cost effective, your on a winner. I'm sure Mistral = wouldn't=20 mind the competition.
 
I passed the exhaust design on to PL's = site, so I=20 will pass them on here it your interested.
 
Greg I also have some calculations on = intake=20 sizing, if your interested - if it helps.
 
George (down under)
Hey George;
I have no argument with that, and my sympathy = goes to=20 them on their recent crash, but they could at least return an email or = a call=20 and tell me to go to hell.  Didn't even get that, and I may have = been a=20 potential client for an engine.  Not a good way to do Public = Relations,=20 and I being in business, can relate to that.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 George Lendich
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 = 3:57=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Mistral/=20 Intake manifolds

Greg,
To be fair, their up to their neck = in work=20 trying to get their own development sorted out, this last problem = with the=20 exhaust wasn't particularly helpful.
The problem is, from what I hear, = that us=20 experimental chaps take up a lot of time and they haven't got = the time=20 to put to such small sales. Things may be better down the track, = when they=20 have everything sorted.
 
I've even offered Mistral details = of an exhaust=20 that Bill Jepson and I have been working on and they didn't even = respond to=20 that, I"M SURE only because they haven't got the time
George (down = under) 
If you knew what I have been going through = getting a=20 turbo manifold for a 20B built, you wouldn't even try.  I = tried=20 communicating with Mistral several times about one of their = manifolds,=20 there was no interest in helping me out.
Greg Ward
Lancair 20B in progress
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 H=20 & J Johnson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, June 20, = 2008 7:51=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Mistral/=20 Intake manifolds

Just thought I'd ask around. A few people purchased intake = manifolds=20 from Mistral and I'm trying to find out a few things about = them.

First of all, what versions of the 13B did they fit? How much = do they=20 weigh? Originally, what were they selling them for.

 

As I understand it, they no longer sell them to joe-public, = nor do=20 the new unit's fit on the standard 13B? Are there builders out = there who=20 would prefer to buy a ready to install manifold for their = projects?

 

Thanks guy's!

Jarrett Johnson

 

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