X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.80] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2921788 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:57:26 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.80; envelope-from=gregw@onestopdesign.biz Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RRdQ1Z0020bG4ec580E500; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:56:30 +0000 Received: from gregoryii ([24.6.40.29]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RTwc1Z0070dkeQQ3P00000; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:56:41 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Cc8WFW8GOR8A:10 a=08900zful5MA:10 a=N8B9JuSIAAAA:8 a=1SYNoUo5gIleKLIR43QA:9 a=mFHEnmjX8s8pnKwRMDIA:7 a=l-g9zTb_GyNrVTHJat-Lw4od-w8A:4 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=sNEyDEdYjLsA:10 a=EumizOAIsRtisfAonuYA:9 a=KXNr0Avlw1QQiv0dTx4A:7 a=X9IBr6znxWRsrDQcrYXeX9fr5LgA:4 a=iVkDmfvjeKcA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <003101c8b5dc$02b02530$8801a8c0@yosemite.onestopdesign.biz> From: "Greg Ward" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Griffin Rad part number Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:03:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8B5A1.53574710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8B5A1.53574710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got it Tracy, thanks; Greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracy Crook=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:44 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Griffin Rad part number Here it is again. This has got to be one for the FAQ page on website. Griffin GRI-2-58185-X (Summit Racing catalog number) Tracy On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Greg Ward = wrote: Hey Tracy; Lost that email where you told me what radiator you are using and = who makes it. Also, getting ready to make a decision on oil cooling. = Who makes the water/oil cooler system I've heard about, and does it = work??? Thanks again; Greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Wills=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes Yeah, kind of disappointing for a bare bones day VFR airplane. I = know where some of the excess weight is: 1) Ran a ground cable to the batteries in the baggage compartment. = Thats 6 - 7 feet of 0 gauge copper. Paranoid about ground loops/noise in = such an electrically dependant airplane. Could use the airframe as a = ground and loose that. 2) Made the exhaust header out of .062" 321 stainless. I'm sure it = could have been .030" and would still live for many years. 3) All the fuel and oil plumbing is Earls braided stainless. And = the oil plumbing is pretty long. 4) Some of the brackets are a little over built. 5) I have 2 Odyssey PC625 batteries. If I had Tracy's courage I = could loose 1 battery and 13.5 pounds. I probably should have mentioned that 1027 pounds includes full = oil and coolant. I dont know if you guys are including that in empty = weight. Never understood why the manufacturers dont include oil in empty = weight - not like you can fly very far without it. Anyway, looks like my gross weight is going to be around 1650 = rather than the 1500 Vans recommends. At least the CG looks good. All = possible combinations are within the limits. This probably due to my = custom cowl which let me move the engine a little forward from normal. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes Mike, Mine came in at 1090 which is midline for an RV-6 with a = FP-prop. Darn good for a day/night IFR RV-6 with 200h.p., though I = probably (definitely) gained a few pounds with the latest cowl, = radiator, muffler, foam sound proofing and 3-blade prop. Waiting until = after painting before I re-weight. My CG is slightly aft of average. Not sure where you are putting on the pounds, I thought for sure = you would have been under 1000. No matter, it's going to fly great! Dave Leonard On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Mike Wills = wrote: I'm located at Brown Field in San Diego. 8000 feet of pavement = at 500' MSL. Things could be a lot worse. Weighed the airplane today. Either my wife and I or the = airplane, or both need to go on a diet. 1027 pounds empty. Was hoping = for less than 1000. For the RV guys, how did your empty weight come out? = Incidently, with batteries in the baggage compartment the CG looks good. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Perry Mick=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes Mike, what airport are you doing your first flight out of? ----- Original Message -----=20 Not sure I really wanted to read the bit about after takeoff = engine failure at this point. Too close to first flight to have that put = in my head. I'll probably appreciate this a lot more after I get some = flight hours under my belt. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8B5A1.53574710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got it Tracy, thanks;
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracy=20 Crook
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 = 7:44=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Griffin Rad part=20 number

Here it is again.  This has got to be one for the FAQ page = on=20 website.
 
Griffin   GRI-2-58185-X    (Summit = Racing=20 catalog number)
 
Tracy

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Greg Ward = <gregw@onestopdesign.biz>=20 wrote:
Hey Tracy;
Lost that email where you told me what = radiator you=20 are using and who makes it.  Also, getting ready to make a = decision on=20 oil cooling.  Who makes the water/oil cooler system I've heard = about,=20 and does it work???
Thanks again;
Greg
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = Mike=20 Wills
To: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 = 8:40=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Hairy=20 Chested Heroes

Yeah, kind of disappointing for a = bare bones=20 day VFR airplane. I know where some of the excess weight = is:
 
1) Ran a ground cable to the = batteries in the=20 baggage compartment. Thats 6 - 7 feet of 0 gauge copper. = Paranoid=20 about ground loops/noise in such an electrically dependant=20 airplane. Could use the airframe as a ground and loose=20 that.
 
2) Made the exhaust header out of = .062" 321=20 stainless. I'm sure it could have been .030" and would still live = for many=20 years.
 
3) All the fuel and = oil plumbing is=20 Earls braided stainless. And the oil plumbing is pretty = long.
 
4) Some of the brackets are a = little over=20 built.
 
5) I have 2 Odyssey PC625 = batteries.=20 If I had Tracy's courage I could loose 1 battery and 13.5=20 pounds.
 
I probably should have mentioned = that 1027=20 pounds includes full oil and coolant. I dont know if you guys are=20 including that in empty weight. Never understood why the = manufacturers=20 dont include oil in empty weight - not like you can fly very far = without=20 it.
 
Anyway, looks like my gross = weight is going=20 to be around 1650 rather than the 1500 Vans recommends. At least = the CG=20 looks good. All possible combinations are within the limits. This = probably=20 due to my custom cowl which let me move the engine a little = forward from=20 normal.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From: David Leonard
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Sent: Sunday, May 11, = 2008 7:15=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Hairy=20 Chested Heroes

Mike,

Mine came in at 1090 which is = midline for an=20 RV-6 with a FP-prop.  Darn good for a day/night IFR RV-6 = with=20 200h.p., though I probably (definitely) gained a few pounds with = the=20 latest cowl, radiator, muffler, foam sound proofing and 3-blade=20 prop.  Waiting until after painting before I = re-weight.  My CG=20 is slightly aft of average.

Not sure where you are = putting on the=20 pounds, I thought for sure you would have been under = 1000.

No=20 matter, it's going to fly great!

Dave Leonard

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Mike = Wills=20 <rv-4mike@cox.net> wrote:
I'm located at Brown Field in = San Diego.=20 8000 feet of pavement at 500' MSL. Things could be a lot=20 worse.
 
Weighed the airplane today. = Either my=20 wife and I or the airplane, or both need to go on a diet. 1027 = pounds=20 empty. Was hoping for less than 1000. For the RV guys, = how did=20 your empty weight come out? Incidently, with batteries in the = baggage=20 compartment the CG looks good.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 = N144MW
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Perry Mick
To:=20 Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Sent:=20 Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Hairy Chested Heroes

Mike, what airport are you = doing your=20 first flight out of?


----- Original = Message -----=20

Not sure I really wanted = to read the=20 bit about after takeoff engine failure at this point. Too = close to=20 first flight to have that put in my head. I'll probably = appreciate=20 this a lot more after I get some flight hours under my=20 belt.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4=20 = N144MW

=
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David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 = N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net=20 =
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