X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.2) with ESMTP id 2877531 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:42:06 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20080429224128.PXQC2106.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@edward2> for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:41:28 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c8aa4a$2a69fcb0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:41:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C8AA28.A3265030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C8AA28.A3265030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good idea, Greg. Now if I only had a truck {:>). I personally prefer a = tank mounted on a truck as compared to a trailer pulled behind. Hummm, = perhaps this is the time to hit the spouse up for a truck - "Gee Dear, = it will only take XX years to pay for the truck with the money I save on = Mogas {:>) - not certain how well that would go over (actually, I know = very well how it would go over {:>)) Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Greg Ward=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG Hey Ed; I am planning to just keep my 100 gal truck mounted backhoe tank in my = truck. Will flush it out and go from there. Those tanks are pretty = cheap, and usually come with a good hand pump. Greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG You are undoubtedly right, Dave. While even spam cans are going to = Mogas - here I am still using 100LL. I think I'll keep my eye out for = one of those 50 gallons tanks on wheels - 50 gallons is the limit (I = believe) here in NC before you need a commercial license to haul it. = It would certainly pay for itself quick with the differential over = $1.00/gallon (or more). Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG Ed, I think you should just switch to MOGAS. Now that I have my = system down, it actually takes less time and hassle on average than = taxiing 200 yds to the pumps. My 30 gal gas caddy and 12v pump have = already paid for themselves. --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Ed Anderson = wrote: Good idea, Scott. Gun bore cleaners/solvents been suggested = before. What I have found out is none of the gun cleaners are true lead = solvents. It takes something like foaming nitric acid to dent lead - of = course that is lead in the metal form - something less drastic might = work on what appears to be a lead crystal form of some sort. (If view = under a magnifying glass you can see glints of light off what appears to = be crystal facets - of course, I guess it could be carbon. In any case, I would greatly like to find something that would = remove the stuff from the ceramic cone - my belief is that a large = amplitude ultrasonic cleaner might shake/jar the deposits off the = ceramic. But, don't have one of those handy to try out {:<(. I did try some ordinary TCP (and some specially formulate TCP) = used to remove/minimize lead deposits in air cooled aircraft engines. = That did not work either, it appears that the for the chemical reaction = to be effective - it needs the higher temperatures encountered with = air-cooled cylinder heads - the relative cooler rotary apparently just = doesn't get the metal and spark plug hot enough, long enough - (at least = that's my theory). Ed Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SHIPCHIEF@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG I wonder id SAG effected spark plugs could be chemically = treated to remove deposits on the ceramic? When I was in to shooting at Dept of Civial Marksmanship = matches, we used some liquid products to remove lead and or copper = fouling from the barrel, some were for scrubbing, some for soaking. Perhaps soaking the ends of the old plugs in bore cleaner or = something? bleach? Carb cleaner? tomato juice? Who knows? Just an idea. Scott ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car = listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002851)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C8AA28.A3265030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good idea, Greg.  Now if I only = had a truck=20 {:>).  I personally prefer a tank mounted on a truck as compared = to a=20 trailer pulled behind.  Hummm, perhaps this is the time to hit the = spouse=20 up for a truck - "Gee Dear, it will only take XX years to pay for the = truck with=20 the money I save on Mogas {:>) - not certain how well that would go = over=20 (actually, I know very well how it would go over {:>))
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Greg=20 Ward
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 = 1:14=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = SAG

Hey Ed;
I am planning to just keep my 100 gal truck = mounted=20 backhoe tank in my truck.  Will flush it out and go from = there. =20 Those tanks are pretty cheap, and usually come with a good hand=20 pump.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed Anderson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 = 9:48=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = SAG

You are undoubtedly right, = Dave.  While=20 even spam cans are going to Mogas - here I am still  using = 100LL. =20 I think I'll keep my eye out for one of those 50 gallons tanks on = wheels -=20 50 gallons is the limit (I believe) here in NC before you need a = commercial=20 license to haul it.   It would certainly pay for itself = quick with=20 the differential over  $1.00/gallon (or more).
 
Ed
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, = 2008 12:28=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = SAG

Ed, I think you should just switch to MOGAS.  = Now that=20 I have my system down, it actually takes less time and hassle on = average=20 than taxiing 200 yds to the pumps.  My 30 gal gas caddy and = 12v pump=20 have already paid for themselves.

--
David = Leonard

Turbo=20 Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.nethttp://RotaryRoster.net

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Ed = Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;=20 wrote:
Good idea, Scott. Gun bore = cleaners/solvents  been suggested before.  What I have = found=20 out is none of the gun cleaners are true lead solvents.  It = takes=20 something like foaming nitric acid to dent lead - of course that = is lead=20 in the metal form - something less drastic might work on what = appears to=20 be a lead crystal form of some sort.  (If view under a = magnifying=20 glass you can see glints of light off what appears to be crystal = facets=20 - of course, I guess it could be carbon.
 
In any case, I would greatly = like to find=20 something that would remove the stuff from the ceramic cone - my = belief=20 is that a large amplitude ultrasonic cleaner might shake/jar the = deposits off the ceramic.  But, don't have one of those = handy to=20 try out {:<(.
 
I did try some ordinary TCP = (and some=20 specially formulate TCP) used to remove/minimize lead deposits = in air=20 cooled aircraft engines.  That did not work either, it = appears that=20 the for the chemical reaction to be effective - it needs the = higher=20 temperatures encountered with air-cooled cylinder heads - the = relative=20 cooler rotary apparently just doesn't get the metal and spark = plug hot=20 enough, long enough - (at least that's my theory).
 
Ed
 
Ed
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 SHIPCHIEF@aol.com
To:=20 Rotary motors=20 in aircraft
Sent:=20 Monday, April 28, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: SAG

I wonder id SAG effected spark plugs could be = chemically=20 treated to remove deposits on the ceramic?
When I was in to = shooting at Dept of Civial Marksmanship matches, we used some = liquid=20 products to remove lead and or copper fouling from the barrel, = some=20 were for scrubbing, some for soaking.
Perhaps soaking the = ends of=20 the old plugs in bore cleaner or something? bleach? Carb = cleaner?=20 tomato juice? Who knows?
Just an=20 idea.
Scott


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Need a new = ride?=20 Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL=20 Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002851= )=20 =



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