X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.16] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.2) with ESMTP id 2877075 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:10:37 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.16; envelope-from=gregw@onestopdesign.biz Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KUyH1Z0090QuhwU5101J00; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:09:57 +0000 Received: from gregoryii ([24.6.40.29]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KV9v1Z0060dkeQQ3N00000; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:09:56 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=N8B9JuSIAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=E7ric0EwfJco1zJDQdoA:9 a=eGP3ZqXQ6S6Qp_L-vJUA:7 a=ms2f8TOzgdBSQfZJLNNNkagvSP8A:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 a=_QR8QSbtOJuIYVxeMxcA:9 a=3KZulWl281c2z25aMM4A:7 a=slHcpjLB60spUhcc7TgYLT34XzgA:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=85p2srsnYP8A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: <022f01c8aa1c$8b7f6f90$8801a8c0@yosemite.onestopdesign.biz> From: "Greg Ward" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:14:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_022C_01C8A9E1.DE6BED90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_022C_01C8A9E1.DE6BED90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Ed; I am planning to just keep my 100 gal truck mounted backhoe tank in my = truck. Will flush it out and go from there. Those tanks are pretty = cheap, and usually come with a good hand pump. Greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG You are undoubtedly right, Dave. While even spam cans are going to = Mogas - here I am still using 100LL. I think I'll keep my eye out for = one of those 50 gallons tanks on wheels - 50 gallons is the limit (I = believe) here in NC before you need a commercial license to haul it. = It would certainly pay for itself quick with the differential over = $1.00/gallon (or more). Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG Ed, I think you should just switch to MOGAS. Now that I have my = system down, it actually takes less time and hassle on average than = taxiing 200 yds to the pumps. My 30 gal gas caddy and 12v pump have = already paid for themselves. --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Ed Anderson = wrote: Good idea, Scott. Gun bore cleaners/solvents been suggested = before. What I have found out is none of the gun cleaners are true lead = solvents. It takes something like foaming nitric acid to dent lead - of = course that is lead in the metal form - something less drastic might = work on what appears to be a lead crystal form of some sort. (If view = under a magnifying glass you can see glints of light off what appears to = be crystal facets - of course, I guess it could be carbon. In any case, I would greatly like to find something that would = remove the stuff from the ceramic cone - my belief is that a large = amplitude ultrasonic cleaner might shake/jar the deposits off the = ceramic. But, don't have one of those handy to try out {:<(. I did try some ordinary TCP (and some specially formulate TCP) = used to remove/minimize lead deposits in air cooled aircraft engines. = That did not work either, it appears that the for the chemical reaction = to be effective - it needs the higher temperatures encountered with = air-cooled cylinder heads - the relative cooler rotary apparently just = doesn't get the metal and spark plug hot enough, long enough - (at least = that's my theory). Ed Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SHIPCHIEF@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG I wonder id SAG effected spark plugs could be chemically treated = to remove deposits on the ceramic? When I was in to shooting at Dept of Civial Marksmanship = matches, we used some liquid products to remove lead and or copper = fouling from the barrel, some were for scrubbing, some for soaking. Perhaps soaking the ends of the old plugs in bore cleaner or = something? bleach? Carb cleaner? tomato juice? Who knows? Just an idea. Scott ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car = listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002851)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_022C_01C8A9E1.DE6BED90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Ed;
I am planning to just keep my 100 gal truck = mounted=20 backhoe tank in my truck.  Will flush it out and go from = there.  Those=20 tanks are pretty cheap, and usually come with a good hand = pump.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 = 9:48=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = SAG

You are undoubtedly right, = Dave.  While=20 even spam cans are going to Mogas - here I am still  using = 100LL.  I=20 think I'll keep my eye out for one of those 50 gallons tanks on wheels = - 50=20 gallons is the limit (I believe) here in NC before you need a = commercial=20 license to haul it.   It would certainly pay for itself = quick with=20 the differential over  $1.00/gallon (or more).
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 = 12:28=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = SAG

Ed, I think you should just switch to MOGAS.  = Now that I=20 have my system down, it actually takes less time and hassle on = average than=20 taxiing 200 yds to the pumps.  My 30 gal gas caddy and 12v pump = have=20 already paid for themselves.

--
David = Leonard

Turbo Rotary=20 RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.nethttp://RotaryRoster.net

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Ed = Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;=20 wrote:
Good idea, Scott. Gun bore=20 cleaners/solvents  been suggested before.  What I have = found out=20 is none of the gun cleaners are true lead solvents.  It takes = something like foaming nitric acid to dent lead - of course that = is lead=20 in the metal form - something less drastic might work on what = appears to=20 be a lead crystal form of some sort.  (If view under a = magnifying=20 glass you can see glints of light off what appears to be crystal = facets -=20 of course, I guess it could be carbon.
 
In any case, I would greatly like = to find=20 something that would remove the stuff from the ceramic cone - my = belief is=20 that a large amplitude ultrasonic cleaner might shake/jar the = deposits off=20 the ceramic.  But, don't have one of those handy to try out=20 {:<(.
 
I did try some ordinary TCP (and = some=20 specially formulate TCP) used to remove/minimize lead deposits in = air=20 cooled aircraft engines.  That did not work either, it = appears that=20 the for the chemical reaction to be effective - it needs the = higher=20 temperatures encountered with air-cooled cylinder heads - the = relative=20 cooler rotary apparently just doesn't get the metal and spark plug = hot=20 enough, long enough - (at least that's my theory).
 
Ed
 
Ed
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 SHIPCHIEF@aol.com
To:=20 Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Sent:=20 Monday, April 28, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: SAG

I wonder id SAG effected spark plugs could be = chemically treated=20 to remove deposits on the ceramic?
When I was in to shooting = at Dept=20 of Civial Marksmanship matches, we used some liquid products to = remove=20 lead and or copper fouling from the barrel, some were for = scrubbing,=20 some for soaking.
Perhaps soaking the ends of the old plugs = in bore=20 cleaner or something? bleach? Carb cleaner? tomato juice? Who=20 knows?
Just an=20 idea.
Scott


**************
Need a new = ride?=20 Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL=20 Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002851= )=20




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