X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.2) with ESMTP id 2877042 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:49:26 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20080429164846.PAPW19888.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@edward2> for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:48:46 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c8aa18$e47aa8c0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:48:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C8A9F7.5D36FC40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C8A9F7.5D36FC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are undoubtedly right, Dave. While even spam cans are going to = Mogas - here I am still using 100LL. I think I'll keep my eye out for = one of those 50 gallons tanks on wheels - 50 gallons is the limit (I = believe) here in NC before you need a commercial license to haul it. = It would certainly pay for itself quick with the differential over = $1.00/gallon (or more). Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG Ed, I think you should just switch to MOGAS. Now that I have my = system down, it actually takes less time and hassle on average than = taxiing 200 yds to the pumps. My 30 gal gas caddy and 12v pump have = already paid for themselves. --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Ed Anderson = wrote: Good idea, Scott. Gun bore cleaners/solvents been suggested before. = What I have found out is none of the gun cleaners are true lead = solvents. It takes something like foaming nitric acid to dent lead - of = course that is lead in the metal form - something less drastic might = work on what appears to be a lead crystal form of some sort. (If view = under a magnifying glass you can see glints of light off what appears to = be crystal facets - of course, I guess it could be carbon. In any case, I would greatly like to find something that would = remove the stuff from the ceramic cone - my belief is that a large = amplitude ultrasonic cleaner might shake/jar the deposits off the = ceramic. But, don't have one of those handy to try out {:<(. I did try some ordinary TCP (and some specially formulate TCP) used = to remove/minimize lead deposits in air cooled aircraft engines. That = did not work either, it appears that the for the chemical reaction to be = effective - it needs the higher temperatures encountered with air-cooled = cylinder heads - the relative cooler rotary apparently just doesn't get = the metal and spark plug hot enough, long enough - (at least that's my = theory). Ed Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SHIPCHIEF@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: SAG I wonder id SAG effected spark plugs could be chemically treated = to remove deposits on the ceramic? When I was in to shooting at Dept of Civial Marksmanship matches, = we used some liquid products to remove lead and or copper fouling from = the barrel, some were for scrubbing, some for soaking. Perhaps soaking the ends of the old plugs in bore cleaner or = something? bleach? Carb cleaner? tomato juice? Who knows? Just an idea. Scott ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car = listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002851)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C8A9F7.5D36FC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You are undoubtedly right, Dave.  = While even=20 spam cans are going to Mogas - here I am still  using 100LL.  = I think=20 I'll keep my eye out for one of those 50 gallons tanks on wheels - 50 = gallons is=20 the limit (I believe) here in NC before you need a commercial license to = haul=20 it.   It would certainly pay for itself quick with the = differential=20 over  $1.00/gallon (or more).
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 = 12:28=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = SAG

Ed, I think you should just switch to MOGAS.  Now = that I=20 have my system down, it actually takes less time and hassle on average = than=20 taxiing 200 yds to the pumps.  My 30 gal gas caddy and 12v pump = have=20 already paid for themselves.

--
David Leonard

Turbo = Rotary=20 RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.nethttp://RotaryRoster.net

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Ed Anderson = <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;=20 wrote:
Good idea, Scott. Gun bore=20 cleaners/solvents  been suggested before.  What I have = found out=20 is none of the gun cleaners are true lead solvents.  It takes = something=20 like foaming nitric acid to dent lead - of course that is lead in = the metal=20 form - something less drastic might work on what appears to be a = lead=20 crystal form of some sort.  (If view under a magnifying glass = you can=20 see glints of light off what appears to be crystal facets - of = course, I=20 guess it could be carbon.
 
In any case, I would greatly like = to find=20 something that would remove the stuff from the ceramic cone - my = belief is=20 that a large amplitude ultrasonic cleaner might shake/jar the = deposits off=20 the ceramic.  But, don't have one of those handy to try out=20 {:<(.
 
I did try some ordinary TCP (and = some=20 specially formulate TCP) used to remove/minimize lead deposits in = air cooled=20 aircraft engines.  That did not work either, it appears that = the for=20 the chemical reaction to be effective - it needs the higher = temperatures=20 encountered with air-cooled cylinder heads - the relative cooler = rotary=20 apparently just doesn't get the metal and spark plug hot enough, = long enough=20 - (at least that's my theory).
 
Ed
 
Ed
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 SHIPCHIEF@aol.com
To:=20 Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft
Sent:=20 Monday, April 28, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: SAG

I wonder id SAG effected spark plugs could be chemically = treated to=20 remove deposits on the ceramic?
When I was in to shooting at = Dept of=20 Civial Marksmanship matches, we used some liquid products to = remove lead=20 and or copper fouling from the barrel, some were for scrubbing, = some for=20 soaking.
Perhaps soaking the ends of the old plugs in bore = cleaner or=20 something? bleach? Carb cleaner? tomato juice? Who knows?
Just = an=20 idea.
Scott


**************
Need a new = ride? Check=20 out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL = Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=3Daolcmp00300000002851= )=20



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