X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [209.85.198.240] (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.2) with ESMTP id 2874552 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:49:01 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.198.240; envelope-from=bartrim@gmail.com Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k29so2444125rvb.7 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:48:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:importance:in-reply-to; bh=TiP4dx/nm8GchsfByYVcZ2qKIgUpN9d+GGe4Tdzi3cA=; b=pon+Q2PnCwNEVg6aLcXs7i/t8gnj0hHAn5RUbvIWGA13FZKk/OHhJjXFtu00TLKKua+YBASwY7QXK3PVimt1OWEH9oEdura7UuyybWYhGBkyGx1+9X0BzYrit6xC5kvI2+/aL+vrJUkbnfinhpFFpcOZRIvW7rLH+U59v1AiqYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:importance:in-reply-to; b=RF8k3V840EvNVwfyWkl0jsZxA3CgBjTC8cFy/tMT6Gig9MbrF3HSvGh3LFm85x39wYVaOPMdvfSSS/DmGdvNg5lpvtWzkMQAv3Z1Dv7hEtpniLo37duN7n+jCPhXHNJDT5DbkqZUzjkpePfk3slkH4TOCsNe7Er8cuROY1crRks= Received: by 10.141.129.14 with SMTP id g14mr1007394rvn.274.1209329303704; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from Endurance ( [198.162.160.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm5338590rvf.8.2008.04.27.13.48.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Todd Bartrim" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Electric Water pumps - Interesting Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:48:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C8A86D.545A3A00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C8A86D.545A3A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I did keep provisions for a relatively easy conversion to a mechanical pump in the event of failure of the EWP experiment, however due to time constraints myself, I really just want to get a few necessary items taken care of, then get it back to the airport and get back in the air. Besides I can already hear the naysayers banging the anti-EWP drum, even if I did remove it only for an experiment….I’d have to do it in secret:-) Todd Bartrim -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 11:26 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Electric Water pumps - Interesting Hey, Todd. If I put any more items on my projects-to-do list, I would have to ask the Man upstairs for a much longer extension {:>). I would love to do more experimenting, but feel its time for the "younger generation" to take over the reigns. How are would it be to slap the mechanical pump back in your installation - I mean its to cold to fly up there in the winter time anyhow {:>) Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Bartrim To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Electric Water pumps - Interesting I think Ed is just trying to egg me on, knowing the attachment I have to this subject:-). Referring to Bob who reported marginal cooling with his EWP, it would have been nice to know how the system would perform with a mechanical pump. I’m satisfied with the performance of my Davis Craig EWP, even though it is somewhat marginal on hot days during a 3 minute 2000fpm climbout with boost. But I doubt the mechanical pump would do any better. I’d like to improve my cooling system, starting with my hailstorm damaged evap cores, but I’m still committed to using my EWP. I guess until we can get a true experimental minded type of guy who already has a successful mechanical cooled system, to switch over to an EWP with no other system modifications, then we will never really answer this question. Gee Ed, you sound bored... It’d be a great way to pass the summer? Todd Bartrim Turbo 13B RV9 -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Russell Duffy Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:12 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Electric Water pumps - Interesting I was just thumbing through a recent catalog from Summit Racing and came across a couple of pages on electric water pumps. There has always been a degree of interest (and some debate {:>)) regarding the use of electric water pumps in aircraft. Are you really that bored Ed? Maybe trying to stir up some lively conversation, and tired of the same old fuse breaker topic :-) I'm off to run the single rotor again, now that I've got the RD-1C drive back on it. Don't tell anyone, but it's only got an electric water pump :-0 Rusty (blah, blah, blah, I'm not listening, blah, blah ) ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C8A86D.545A3A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I did keep provisions for a relatively easy conversion to a = mechanical pump in the event of failure of the EWP experiment, however due to time constraints myself, I really just want to get a few necessary items = taken care of, then get it back to the airport and get back in the air. Besides I = can already hear the naysayers banging the anti-EWP drum, even if I did = remove it only for an experiment….I’d have to do it in = secretJ

 

Todd Bartrim<= span class=3DEmailStyle19> 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Sunday, April 27, = 2008 11:26 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Electric Water pumps - Interesting

 

Hey, Todd.  If I put any more items on = my projects-to-do list, I would have to ask the Man upstairs for a much longer extension {:>).  I would love to do more experimenting, but feel its time = for the "younger generation" to take over the reigns.  = <= /p>

 <= /p>

How are would it be to slap the mechanical pump back in = your installation - I mean its to cold to fly up there in the winter time = anyhow {:>)

 <= /p>

Ed

----- Original Message -----

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To: Rotary motors in aircraft

Sent: Sunday, April = 27, 2008 1:37 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Electric Water pumps - Interesting

 <= /p>

I think Ed is just = trying to egg me on, knowing the attachment I have to this = subjectJ.

           = Referring to Bob who reported marginal cooling with his EWP, it would have been = nice to know how the system would perform with a mechanical pump. I’m = satisfied with the performance of my Davis Craig EWP, even though it is somewhat = marginal on hot days during a 3 minute 2000fpm climbout with boost. But I doubt the mechanical pump would do any better. I’d like to improve my = cooling system, starting with my hailstorm damaged evap cores, but I’m still = committed to using my EWP.

           I = guess until we can get a true experimental minded type of guy who already has = a successful mechanical cooled system, to switch over to an EWP with no = other system modifications, then we will never really answer this = question.

           = Gee Ed, you sound bored... It’d be a great way to pass the = summer?

 

Todd Bartrim=

Turbo 13B RV9=

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Russell Duffy
Sent: Sunday, April 27, = 2008 8:12 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Electric Water pumps - Interesting<= /p>

 <= /p>

I was just thumbing through a recent catalog from Summit = Racing and came across a couple of pages on electric water = pumps.  There has always been a degree of interest (and some debate {:>)) regarding the = use of electric water pumps in aircraft.   <= /p>

 <= /p>

Are you really that bored Ed?  Maybe trying to stir up = some lively conversation, and tired of the same old fuse breaker topic = :-)  <= /p>

 <= /p>

I'm off to run the single rotor again, now that I've got the RD-1C drive back on it.  Don't tell anyone, but it's only = got an electric water pump :-0

 <= /p>

Rusty (blah, blah, blah, I'm not listening, blah, blah = <g>)<= /p>

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

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