Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #41557
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: staging
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:48:33 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Yes, you are probably right, Mark.  Make not work with that much difference betwee injectors - although the manual mixture control might get it lean enough. 
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:05 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: staging

Ed,
Will this procedure work with different sized injectors?  Don has 295cc primaries and 610cc secondaries.  Seems like that would present a problem. 
 
Mark S.
25.5 hrs

 
On 2/17/08, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Hang in there, Don
 
Most of us have experience similar frustration - if with perhaps different problems.
 
Here is one thing I can think of.  You stated it does not buck with the secondary injectors disconnected.  Do you have the injector disable switches installed?  When you say disconnect - I presume you mean unplug the electrical connectors - or is turning off power to the secondary with the disable switch?? 
 
  In any case, here is what I would do, I would disconnect the electrical connection to the primary injectors - pull the electrical connector off the primary and plug them into the secondary injectors.  Turn the secondary disable switch off.  IF the engine runs fine with the secondary now  then you have shown that the problem  is not the secondary injectors.  If it still bucks then you could have a bad injector.
 
I used to have a bad stumble when the secondary injectors were turned on by the EC2.  I had though it was too rich as well, but when I finally hooked my EFSIM monitor and could see the air/fuel ratio indictor as well as the bars of the fuel map.  I found out it was going too lean, enriching (increasing height of fuel map bars) eliminated the stumble.  
 
I don't have an EM2 so can't help you with why it is intermittent in displaying pressure.
 
  But, try switching injectors wires and if you do disconnect (as opposed to disabling with the disable switch) remember that the EC2 has no way of knowing the two you disconnected are no longer connected.  So you need to place the disable switch to off(ground) for whichever set of injectors you don't want operating for the test.  Otherwise, the EC2 will still assume all 4 injectors are ready to fire and it will reduce the pulse width to the injectors by 1/2 when it goes from two to four injectors.  If only 2 injectors are connected then you will only be 1/2 the fuel to the engine that it needs.  By using the disable switch to turn off one of the pair, the EC2 will automatically double the Pulse width to the two remaining injectors.
 
So if you are only using two injectors with one pair disconnected, you should turn the disable switch to off for the disconnected pair.
 
Hopefully someone else can provide more helpful suggestion
 
Ed
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:23 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] staging

 
The list has been a little quiet lately, so here goes.  I'm the guy who couldn't get his Renesis going. Turns out a capacitor was missing for the EC-2.  Then it would only start on a rare occation.  Turns out it needed a 1000 ohm resistor across the CAS line as noise was changing the timing.  Now, Stageing is difficult.  Auto tune isn't really working and I have resolved that I will do it manually.  It kind of works, but takes a long time and it's easier to just do it manually.  My suspicion is that the manifold pressure is not holding steady enough, but now I am not so sure.  I even added 2 ports near the throttle body, but it is still erratic.  Even teed them together with the back ports.  Now back to staging. 
I get up to 19 inches, the staging * turns off and the engine start bucking.  Tryed mode 6, setting for larger injectors (I am running stock renesis 295 primaries and 610 secondaries)  Still bucks.  Tried mode 6 turning down flow rate.  At about 20 inches I was able to get it to even out, but it still bucks at 19, 19.5 and it bucks so bad that I can't get it to 21.  I assume it is flooding as I was able to get it to run at 20 inches, but can't get it to change at any other setting.  The EM-2 is erratic.  The grafical mixture moniter, works and displays most of the time at lower manifold settings, but the higher the setting, the less it displays.  At 19 inches, it only displays about 5% of the time. Kind of hard to set things if I have no feedback.  Even stuck in a new O2 sensor to no avail.   I can't run it long at these power levels, as I quickly get to 210 degrees. My suspicion is there is a root cause of all this EM-2 erratic displaey stuff.  My very uneducated guess is that electical noise is causing all these problems.  Your thoughts??  Solutions?
To add more problems, at high temps, I heard a squeel, then it stopped.  Then it happened again.  I didn't know what it was, so shut down.  Couldn't get it restarted.  Pumps sounded funny and no fuel pressure.  Seems pumps over heated and cavitated as 5 minuets later, they started working.  They are shielded and with a cool tube blowing on them. Apparently not enough.  Your suggestions are very appreciated.  Tracy???  Oh, yeah.  If I disconnect the secondary injectors, it won't buck.
 
Don Walker
Frustrated RV-8 renesis builder
 
Now I'm e-mailing the Dynon list to find out why it won't display GPS data

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