X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2724607 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:09:20 -0500 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.102.122.148; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Feb 2008 09:08:36 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m1BE8Z4j001995 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:08:35 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id m1BE8BIg017844 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:08:35 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:08:25 -0500 Received: from [64.102.38.143] ([64.102.38.143]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:08:25 -0500 Message-ID: <47B056E0.9080203@nc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:08:32 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel burn References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2008 14:08:25.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[9189A0B0:01C86CB7] Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=echristley@nc.rr.com; dkim=neutral Greg Ward wrote: > > O.K., time to throw a little F matter into the fan. I am sitting in = my new shop, with a Lancair Legacy RG, and a relatively new 20B "D" serie= s on a palette. I got the engine complete with everything it had in the = Cosmo that it came out of. There isn't even a coat of grease on this thi= ng. Radiator, oil cooler, air conditioner, condenser, ECU, injectors, co= ils, motor mounts, and about 100 pounds of extra stuff came with it. My = buddy (he has been selling engines for 15 years) in LA that sold me this = engine ($4500.00) is in constant contact with people who race this motor,= and I am getting a lot of input on how to set this thing up. I have ord= ered Tracy's gear drive, and plan on generating 400 HP on take -off, and = about 75-80% at cruise. My max rpm will be 8000. You have no idea how m= uch input I am getting from the racing set. They are saying that with a = variable boost (electronic) controller, I can vary the boost at any given= altitude, as much or as little as I want, and tweak this thing for max p= erformance. They can't believe that I am asking so little from this engi= ne. > > This will get us started; > Greg > =20 Greg, I don't want to rain on your parade, but there are three questions = you have to ask yourself: - Can I reliably pull that many horses out of the motor for hours on end?= - Can I carry enough fuel to support pulling that many horses for hours=20 on end? - Can I keep the engine from melting while pull that many horses out of i= t? It's been demonstrated on this list several times that not everything=20 from racing translates directly to airplanes. For instance, 400Hp will=20 require twice the radiator volume that most of us are using, along with=20 the larger associated ducting and cooling drag. Will the reduction in=20 reliability and increased fuel burn be paid for by the extra speed once=20 the effects of the extra weight and cooling drag are factored in? ie,=20 you will go faster, just not as much as "double the Hp" would imply,=20 because of the cooling drag. I don't think most racers have to worry=20 about that to much, but you could wind-up with a system that just cost=20 you more to go to only relatively close places faster.