Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #41483
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Turbo Caution[FlyRotary] Re: Fuel burn
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:15:37 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Greg, Sounds like you are about to enter the "Fun Zone". 
 
 This may have been mentioned before, but, if you are going to turbocharge your 20B be advised the stock turbochargers are simply not designed and will not withstand (for long)  the stress of continuous high altitude boost.  Several folks have tried it with the stock 2 rotor turbo only to have the turbine section demonstrate its inability to withstand the stress.  It appears that at least one individual has managed to keep his stock turbo installation intact by running low levels of boost < 5 psi.  Several have found that a set of modifications to the stock turbo compressor and turbine section can improve its survivability, but probably best to go with a turbocharger designed for continuous high power operation.
 
Others may want to chime in here to point Greg down the right path.  Two fellows from South Carolina have a turbo 20B that was dynoed to over 500 HPthey have in a Lancair 4. 
 
Its really going to be a moving machine.
 
Good luck
 
Ed
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Ward
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:50 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel burn

 

O.K., time to throw a little F matter into the fan.  I am sitting in my new shop, with a Lancair Legacy RG, and a relatively new 20B "D" series on a palette.  I got the engine complete with everything it had in the Cosmo that it came out of.  There isn't even a coat of grease on this thing.  Radiator, oil cooler, air conditioner, condenser, ECU, injectors, coils, motor mounts, and about 100 pounds of extra stuff came with it.  My buddy (he has been selling engines for 15 years) in LA that sold me this engine ($4500.00) is in constant contact with people who race this motor, and I am getting a lot of input on how to set this thing up.  I have ordered Tracy's gear drive, and plan on generating 400 HP on take -off, and about 75-80% at cruise.  My max rpm will be 8000.  You have no idea how much input I am getting from the racing set.  They are saying that with a variable boost (electronic) controller, I can vary the boost at any given altitude, as much or as little as I want, and tweak this thing for max performance.  They can't believe that I am asking so little from this engine.
 
This will get us started;
Greg
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Ward
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:14 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel burn

Yeah, I would be interested in this one too, as I am looking at prop options too.
Greg
(Lancair, on the ground, in the new shop, mating with a 20B as of this weekend....(:-)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:06 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel burn

Hi Mark,

Isn't 7000/2.85=2456.14 ??

Is the M/T optimized (diameter, pitch, twist) for turning only 2150rpm?

Charlie


Mark Steitle wrote:
Al,

Yes, I'm running one of Tracy's 2.85:1.00 boxes.

Mark 

On Feb 10, 2008 12:20 PM, Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net> wrote:

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel burn

 

Thanks, good data Al. I'm sure that some of the differences we're seeing are due to altitude.  So far, I've stayed fairly low (3000-5000').  I may try some higher altitude flight soon just to see how it changes my performance numbers.  Another difference is that I have a M/T electric constant speed prop.  I normally set it to 2150rpm for takeoff.  This allows the engine to turn around 7000 rpm, which will account some for the higher fuel burn I'm seeing.  My airport is at 520' msl, so there's a 1000' difference there from your 1500' msl airport.  Yes, she really accelerates down the runway.   I'm usually airborne in about 900-1000'. 

Mark

I'm not sure I see how these correlate "set it to 2150rpm for takeoff.  This allows the engine to turn around 7000 rpm,"; but the big difference is that you're putting out more horses than I am.  At 7000 you're likely looking at about 300 hp, so 25-26 gph would be expected.  Are you running a 2.85 ratio redrive; or something else?

Al

 


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