X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail35.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.133.51] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTPS id 2718194 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:08:18 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.133.51; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-79-144.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.79.144]) by mail35.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id m16L7Uib008172 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:07:31 +1100 Message-ID: <007801c86904$4ae49860$904fecdc@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Flex plate(adendum) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 07:07:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01C86958.1B8A5BF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C86958.1B8A5BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly and All, Even when the weight of the rotors and the counter weight are confirmed = as being compatible - one should also remember the lettering stamping = system which matches a paired set, for balancing through similar weight. = I have never been able to confirm what the difference in weight is = exactly, which is a shame. George ( down under) Joe, One other consideration........I have presumed your 89 13B was a = NA (6 port)=20 and not a Turbo (4 port) engine........Although the NA and Turbo = rotors are the same weight the Turbo rotors are 9.0 to1 comp. ratio.........(the end = I hope) -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 -------------- Original message from "Kelly Troyer" = : --------------=20 Joe, Yes the 3rd gen counterweight will work.......Just make sure = that that your 89 rotors are actually 9.7 to 1 with the machined depressions.........To my = knowledge Tracy's psru only takes the 2nd gen flexplate flywheel which bolts right on any = of the counterweights.. .........Bulent used a 13B Cosmo flexplate (it is like the 3rd gen) = but he used the Cosmo=20 bellhousing and a custom extended input shaft and had to make an = adaptor to his flexplate=20 for Tracy's psru torque isolator........The Cosmo and 3rd gen = automatic flexplate uses a=20 side mounted starter........As usual I bow to anyone for correction = if my info is faulty........=20 -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 -------------- Original message from "Joe Berki" = : --------------=20 Thanks, I have a 89 and a earlier motor 88 or 86. I want to use the 89 = internals and irons if they measure, so what you are saying is that the = 89 has the same weight rotors as 3rd gen and can take the 3rd gen = flexplate and counterweigth? But what about using Tracy's PSRU? Is the = 2nd gen flexplate the only one that will work? Joe Berki ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kelly Troyer=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Flex plate(adendum) Joe, Forgot to add this.........It depends on the year model 13B = also........The 86 to 88.5 2nd gen had heavier rotors and what I reported is = true.........The 88.5 to 91 2nd gen 13B have rotors the same weight as the 3rd gen and should be = able to use the 3rd gen rear counterweight.........You have to be careful with the = 88.5 to 89 2nd gen to make sure you have the lighter rotors (they are 9.7 to1 and have = a machined rather than a cast depressions in the rotor face)..........Sorry for = the omission.......... -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 -------------- Original message from "Kelly Troyer" = : --------------=20 Joe, A 3rd gen counterweight and flex plate will fit 2nd gen 13B = but the counterweight will put the 2nd gen out of balance unless rotors and both = counterweights from the 3rd gen are installed also...........On another note if this = engine is for an A/C using Tracy's redrive you must use a 2nd gen flexplate........FWIW -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 -------------- Original message from "Joe Berki" = : --------------=20 Will a flex plate and counterweight from a 3rd gen 13b fit a = 2nd gen 13b? How much for a flex plate and counterweight? Thanks for = any help. Joe berki Limo EZ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release = Date: 2/5/2008 8:57 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: = 2/02/2008 1:50 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C86958.1B8A5BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kelly and All,
Even when the weight of the rotors and = the counter=20 weight are confirmed as being compatible - one should also remember=20 the lettering stamping system which matches a paired set, for = balancing=20 through similar weight. I have never been able to confirm what the = difference in=20 weight is exactly, which is a shame.
George ( down under)
 
 
 
  Joe,
    One other consideration........I have presumed = your 89=20 13B was a NA (6 port) 
and not a Turbo (4 port) engine........Although the NA and = Turbo=20 rotors are the
same weight the Turbo rotors are 9.0 to1 comp. ratio.........(the = end I=20 hope)
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke = Delta"_13B=20 ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold=20




--------------=20 Original message from "Kelly Troyer" <keltro@att.net>: = --------------=20

   Joe,
    Yes the 3rd gen counterweight will = work.......Just=20 make sure that that your 89 rotors
are actually 9.7 to 1 with the machined depressions.........To = my=20 knowledge Tracy's psru
only takes the 2nd gen flexplate flywheel which bolts right on = any of=20 the counterweights..
.........Bulent used a 13B Cosmo flexplate (it is like the 3rd=20 gen) but he used the Cosmo
bellhousing and a custom extended input shaft and had to make = an=20 adaptor to his flexplate
for Tracy's psru  torque isolator........The Cosmo and 3rd = gen=20 automatic flexplate uses a
side mounted starter........As usual I bow to anyone for = correction if=20 my info is faulty........ 
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke = Delta"_13B=20 ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil = Manifold=20




--------------=20 Original message from "Joe Berki" <jskmberki@alltel.net>:=20 --------------

Thanks,
I have a 89 and a earlier motor = 88 or=20 86.  I want to use the 89 internals and irons if they = measure, so=20 what you are saying is that the 89 has the same weight rotors as = 3rd gen=20 and can take the 3rd gen flexplate and counterweigth? But what = about using=20 Tracy's PSRU?  Is the 2nd gen flexplate the only one that = will=20 work?
 
Joe Berki
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Kelly = Troyer=20
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, February = 05, 2008=20 8:36 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Flex=20 plate(adendum)

Joe,
  Forgot to add this.........It depends on the year = model 13B=20 also........The 86 to 88.5
2nd gen had heavier rotors and what I reported is = true.........The=20 88.5 to 91 2nd gen
13B have rotors the same weight as the 3rd gen and should = be able=20 to use the 3rd
gen rear counterweight.........You have to be careful with = the 88.5=20 to 89 2nd gen to
make sure you have the lighter rotors (they are 9.7 to1 and = have a=20 machined rather
than a cast depressions in the rotor face)..........Sorry = for the=20 omission..........
--
Kelly Troyer =
"Dyke=20 Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold




--------------=20 Original message from "Kelly Troyer" <keltro@att.net>:=20 --------------

Joe,
   A 3rd gen counterweight and flex plate will = fit 2nd=20 gen 13B but the counterweight
will put the 2nd gen out of balance unless rotors and = both=20 counterweights  from the
3rd gen are installed also...........On another note if = this=20 engine is for an A/C using
Tracy's redrive you must use a 2nd gen=20 flexplate........FWIW
--
Kelly Troyer =
"Dyke=20 Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =




--------------=20 Original message from "Joe Berki" = <jskmberki@alltel.net>:=20 --------------

Will a flex plate and = counterweight=20 from a 3rd gen 13b fit a 2nd gen 13b?  How much for a = flex=20 plate and counterweight?  Thanks for any = help.
 
Joe berki
Limo = EZ

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