X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.233.178.242] (HELO hs-out-2122.google.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c4) with ESMTP id 2629954 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:44:06 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.233.178.242; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id k27so4776197hsc.3 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:43:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4Bfi7Sb/s3W1k5ZuS+WxPjmp0158X0Q28xUGqWekK94=; b=Q5X2O5uTk+H24s/JwglxOAWKsgGddO8PFt+h/VLo3CeoP6ZnJfxzzjobt4CwOuVWS0w8MLODMcLWPPb6Pki95BG7/VNcfuX8xRY3CqG3RwpXzu6TBTYTSkXUHapJrAx8SavcxrxPijc2SC443oqX0hyQU1ky2pT2E4A9yxVSc1U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ONl8KYEp/LsWMiC1OvmJJ0ggsSVnIu018JZGELMlUpBJkRNSP/oM6Oc3dPTdKr7vFbAhyS8xTTQuwitUxgu4Eoif0nU09iC4gbOjSFR/VNU9WxUKBYlZH0eVvVJe1rHQtjS2nBtvncF39Xpk6d3drTRrajtLh5jRKNr43mBULyA= Received: by 10.150.196.5 with SMTP id t5mr4397762ybf.109.1199403807899; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.146.16 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:43:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5cf132c0801031543o506ee4bdwcfb53bb4c976abe4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:43:27 -0600 From: "Mark Steitle" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis CAS gap.... was flooding In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15737_25031278.1199403807893" References: ------=_Part_15737_25031278.1199403807893 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bill, I was the one that had that problem. While it did cause me much grief, it didn't prevent the engine from starting. Mark On Jan 3, 2008 9:55 AM, wrote: > Don, > I don't want to be redundant, and my inbox kicked a bunch of e-mails down > the road during Christmas, (mailbox full), but if you're using a Renesis CAS > one of the members found the bracket needed to be aluminum. Or any > non-ferrous material. Caused a world of trouble for him to find. Sorry I > don't remember who it was. I believe his problem was higher RPM but IIRC he > had some starting trouble too. You may have already have been told of this > trouble but I thought I would mention it again. > Bill Jepson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby J. Hughes > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 6:35 am > Subject: [FlyRotary] Renesis CAS gap.... was flooding > > Don, > > It could be something else, but my plan is to grind the flange down to a > gap of .020 and try it. It will be a bitch to get to. > > *I would not grind anything yet*. The stock location is correct as Dennis > and Tracy are using it with no modifications. There is a quirk with the EC2 > and the Renesis CAS that may require a couple of resistors and a zener diode > at higher rpm ranges. But I believe Tracy has an upgrade to correct the > issue. It does not effect the engine at start or below 4500 rpms if I > remember correctly. Mark Steitle fabricated a Renesis CAS bracket and > adopted it for his 20B so it is an entirely different animal. The 20b does > not have a place to bolt up the CAS like the Renesis. > > One thing you can check is to make sure the CAS has not collected any > metal dust or shavings as that will have an effect on the signal. > > Bobby > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *On Behalf Of *Don Wallker > *Sent:* Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:18 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] flooding > > I made it out to the airport today, soldered up the CAS and installed > it. Before I cranked it over, I put it in mode 8 and fired it off. The > usual nice blue sparks. Then set it to mode 0 and cranked with the plugs > out and pumps/inj off. No spark. Cranked and looked again. Every so often > there would be a weak spark or 3, but most of the time, nothing. So little > or no spark. I measured the gap between the CAS and the wheel and I get > between .045 and .050 (I don't have the right feeler gauges). This > contrasts with Mark having to move his CAS to .020 to make it work. The > flange that the CAS sets on is part of the cast casing and is machined flat > where the CAS is bolted in. It looks like this sould be the correct setting > and would never have concidered this to be the problem (still don't know for > sure if it is) if Mark hadn't mentioned it. Have any of you Renesis people > run into this? Some possibilities are that it needs a smaller gap for the > EC-2. or that this being a "grey market" engine, they let the builder figure > it out the spacing. It could be something else, but my plan is to grind the > flange down to a gap of .020 and try it. It will be a bitch to get to. I > can add spacers if I need to move it back out. Anyone else have any > suggestions as what else might be the problem? Bill, Tracy and Dennis, did > you have this problem with spacing on the Renesis, or did you just install > the stock CAS and go? I checked the factory Manual on CD and they have no > specs on the gap. BTW no RPM display at these low cranking speeds. Lynn, I > am running a stock 13b autotrans starter. It cranks well, until the battery > runs down. Yes, I have my 12 lb Catto prop installed. I put a little oil > into the plugs holes before cranking. > Dennis, I'll put that inverted drain valve at the top of the radiator > housing this weekend. I also have 2 air purge lines, one running from the > rear top of the engine and the other from the radiator, radiator cap, both > going up to the surge tank to purge air out of the system. Bob, I think > your harnesses are fine! Picked up some Marvel MM oil for squirting into > the plug holes. Bill, I have been cleaning my plugs with carb cleaner, then > blowing them dry. If that doesn't work, I'll use the rice hulls. I will > attempt to fire it off once the urathane sets and I get the flange cut > down. Guys, thanks for all the suggestions! I'll keep you posted. > > Don Walker > ------------------------------ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail > ! > ------=_Part_15737_25031278.1199403807893 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Bill,

I was the one that had that problem.  While it did cause= me much grief, it didn't prevent the engine from starting. 
<= br>Mark

On Jan 3, 2008 9:55 AM, < wrjjrs@aol.com> wrote:
Don,
I don't want to be redundant, and my inbox kicked a bunch of e-mai= ls down the road during Christmas, (mailbox full), but if you're using = a Renesis CAS one of the members found the bracket needed to be a= luminum. Or any non-ferrous material. Caused a world of trouble for him to = find. Sorry I don't remember who it was. I believe his problem was high= er RPM but IIRC he had some starting trouble too. You may have already have= been told of this trouble but I thought I would mention it again.=20
Bill Jepson



-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby J. Hughes <bhughes@qnsi.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 6:35 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Renesis CAS gap.... was flooding

Don,
 
It co= uld be something else, but my plan is to grind the flange down to a gap of = .020 and try it.  It will be a bitch to get to. 
 
I would not grind anything yet. The stock = location is correct as Dennis and Tracy are using it with no modifications.= There is a quirk with the EC2 and the Renesis CAS that may require a coupl= e of resistors and a zener diode at higher rpm ranges. But I believe Tracy = has an upgrade to correct the issue. It does not effect the engine at = start or below 4500 rpms if I remember correctly. Mark Steitle fabricated a= Renesis CAS bracket and adopted it for his 20B so it is an entirely d= ifferent animal. The 20b does not have a place to bolt up the CAS like the = Renesis.=20
 
One t= hing you can check is to make sure the CAS has  not collected any meta= l dust or shavings as that will have an effect on the signal.
 
Bobby=

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyr= otary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Don Wallker
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:18 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] flooding

I made it out to the airport today, so= ldered up the CAS and installed it.  Before I cranked it over, I put i= t in mode 8 and fired it off.  The usual nice blue sparks.  Then = set it to mode 0 and cranked with the plugs out and pumps/inj off.  No= spark.  Cranked and looked again.  Every so often there would be= a weak spark or 3, but most of the time, nothing.  So little or no sp= ark.  I measured the gap between the CAS and the wheel and I get betwe= en .045 and .050  (I don't have the right feeler gauges).  Th= is contrasts with Mark having to move his CAS to .020  to make it work= .  The flange that the CAS sets on is part of the cast casing and is m= achined flat where the CAS is bolted in.  It looks like this sould be = the correct setting and would never have concidered this to be the problem = (still don't know for sure if it is) if Mark hadn't mentioned it.&n= bsp; Have any of you Renesis people run into this?  Some possibilities= are that it needs a smaller gap for the EC-2. or that this being a "g= rey market" engine, they let the builder figure it out the spacing.&nb= sp; It could be something else, but my plan is to grind the flange down to = a gap of .020 and try it.  It will be a bitch to get to.  I can a= dd spacers if I need to move it back out.  Anyone else have any sugges= tions as what else might be the problem?  Bill, Tracy and Dennis, = ;did you have this problem with spacing on the Renesis, or did you just&nbs= p;install the stock CAS and go?  I checked the factory Manual on = CD and they have no specs on the gap.  BTW no RPM display at these low= cranking speeds.  Lynn, I am running a stock 13b autotrans starter.&n= bsp; It cranks well, until the battery runs down.  Yes, I have my 12 l= b Catto prop installed.  I put a little oil into the plugs holes befor= e cranking. =20
Dennis, I'll put that inverted dra= in valve at the top of the radiator housing this weekend.  I also have= 2 air purge lines, one running from the rear top of the engine and the oth= er from the radiator, radiator cap, both going up to the surge tank to purg= e air out of the system.  Bob, I think your harnesses are fi= ne!  Picked up some Marvel MM oil for squirting into the plug hol= es.  Bill, I have been cleaning my plugs with carb cleaner, then blowi= ng them dry.  If that doesn't work, I'll use the rice hulls. I= will attempt to fire it off once the urathane sets and I get the flange cu= t down.  Guys, thanks for all the suggestions!  I'll keep you= posted.
 
Don Walker
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