X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.188] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c4) with ESMTPS id 2627240 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:17:53 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.188; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-137-89.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.137.89]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id m01NH5Nu028799 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:17:07 +1100 Message-ID: <003f01c84ccc$70312f10$5989ecdc@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Magic Vapor Cycle Engines Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:17:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C84D20.40A75720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C84D20.40A75720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lynn, NSU used the fuel through the rotor, to cool the rotor, but it also = heated the fuel for better combustion. I can't remember what the draw back with this system was - is it reduced = VE? and are you suggesting that this could be off-set with forced induction George ( down under) This is a link to a story about Smokey Yanuk's hot vapor cycle engine, = copied from Hot Rod magazine years ago, and translated from Swedish? It is done well and points out the right questions about how does a = mixture heated to 850 degrees C not detonate. A more pregnant question = should have been, why is it not already burning in the intake manifold? Or was it? In the article the engine shown is a V-2. From years ago I remember = it as part of the Small Block Chevrolet and the test car being a Mercury Capri. In the story, two other 4 = cylinder cars are mentioned. In the patent drawing, it is a 4 cylinder = in line engine.=20 My thinking is that it had to be high pressure mechanical fuel = injection, direct into the combustion chamber, and it had to have an = adjustable curve so that the engine didn't knock like a diesel. The many = engineers who drove the cars tried desperately to get the engines to = detonate, by leaving stop lights in top gear and full throttle, but not = one was successful. So, it had to be injecting and ignition (if any) = after TDC.=20 So for my explanation to work I need a location and drive method for = the high pressure pump. The distribution system may not have been = required, if the pistons had rods that tripped the injectors open like = the old CO2 model airplane engines. On the other hand, the distribution = unit for a Lucas fuel injection system used on Cosworth race engines is = smaller than my fist. I think the turbocharger, that he called a = homogenizer to help atomize the mixture and operated at 3 PSI was part = of the ruse. I think her replaced the low oxygen problem caused by a = super heated intake with a whopping big amount of boost. Every pound he = could get is my guess. So how exactly he did it is unknown to most of = us.=20 In another article he was said to have mentioned once that he had to = use jet engine oil in his engines because of the heat, even in the pans = would coke up regular motor oil.=20 If anyone has any ideas, I would sure like to hear about them. Lynn E. Hanover =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for = winter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1205 - Release Date: = 31/12/2007 3:32 PM ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C84D20.40A75720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lynn,
NSU used the fuel through the rotor, to = cool the=20 rotor, but it also heated the fuel for better combustion.
I can't remember what the draw back = with this=20 system was - is it reduced VE?
and are you suggesting that this could = be off-set=20 with forced induction
George ( down under)
 
This is a link to a = story about=20 Smokey Yanuk's hot vapor cycle engine, copied from Hot Rod magazine = years ago,=20 and translated from Swedish?
 
It is done well and points out the right questions about how = does a=20 mixture heated to 850 degrees C not detonate. A more pregnant = question=20 should have been, why is it not already burning in the intake=20 manifold?
 
Or was it?
 
In the article the engine shown is a V-2. From years ago I = remember it=20 as part of the Small Block Chevrolet
and the test car being a Mercury Capri. In the story, two other = 4=20 cylinder cars are mentioned. In the patent drawing, it is a 4 = cylinder in=20 line engine.
 
My thinking is that it had to be high pressure mechanical fuel=20 injection, direct into the combustion chamber, and it had to have an = adjustable curve so that the engine didn't knock like a diesel. The = many=20 engineers who drove the cars tried desperately to get the = engines to=20 detonate, by leaving stop lights in top gear and full throttle, but = not one=20 was successful. So, it had to be injecting and ignition (if any) = after TDC.=20
 
So for my explanation to work I need a location and drive = method=20 for the high pressure pump. The distribution system may not have = been=20 required, if the pistons had rods that tripped the injectors = open like=20 the old CO2 model airplane engines. On the other hand, the = distribution unit=20 for a Lucas fuel injection system used on Cosworth race engines is = smaller=20 than my fist. I think the turbocharger, that he called a homogenizer = to help=20 atomize the mixture and operated at 3 PSI was part of the ruse. I = think her=20 replaced the low oxygen problem caused by a super heated intake with = a=20 whopping big amount of boost. Every pound he could get is my guess. =  So=20 how exactly he did it is unknown to most of us.
 
In another article he was said to have mentioned once that he = had to=20 use jet engine oil in his engines because of the heat, even in the = pans=20 would coke up regular motor oil.
 
If anyone has any ideas, I would sure like to hear about = them.
 
Lynn E. = Hanover    



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