Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #40634
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: wide band O2 sensor
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:03:17 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
No recommendation from me, George. 
 
 The wide band sensor has a more linear voltage curve which means you can interpolate a bit more accurately than with the "Z" curve of the narrow band sensor.  So if you really need to know your absolute A/F like 12.53  (rather than a relative lean/rich) Air/Fuel mixture then the broadband is probably the way to go - provided of course, you are not using leaded fuel.  I don't know what leaded fuel does to the wide band - it apparently reduces the sensitivity (or reaction time)  of the narrow band to where it is rendered unusable for its role in the automobiles fuel/emission control scheme - but, doesn't hurt its ability to give you a relative lean/rich indication.
 
However, as the article pointed out there are even other dangers if you are running boost and using a wide band - so I was just doing my civic duty {:>) to bring it to the lists attention.  For my purposes the cheaper narrow band works just fine.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: wide band O2 sensor

Ed,
So are you recommending narrow band sensors for Aviation use - I can't remember the argument for wide band sensors.
George ( down under)
I don't know whether anybody is using or contemplating using a wide band sensor for Air/Fuel ratio indications.  I've looked into it and could find no advantage (for my usage) that would justify the additional cost.  Apparently there is a "simulated narrowband output" which I was unaware of.   
 
But, here are a few other considerations that you might want to think about:
at this URL :
 

Wideband Sensor Positioning

The wideband sensor must be carefully placed in order to prevent damage to the sensor itself and to maximise accuracy. Also, if you use the sensor's output directly (via the simulated narrowband output) to drive your ECU then you should be doubly careful. Please follow all of these "rules" :

  • The sensor should always be placed on the engine side of a catalytic converter, unless you are testing the effectiveness of the convertor itself.
  • The gas temperature to the sensor should never exceed 850 degrees C (about 1560 degrees Fahrenheit).
  • The sensor should never be run without power to the WB unit (a hot sensor burns off carbon residues)
  • Always have the long axis of the sensor perpendicular to the gas flow (stops sensor clogging)
  • Position the sensor vertically or at most between 10 o'clock to the 2 o'clock position (this avoids cracking the internal ceramic structure should moisture condense internally)
  • We don't recommend using a short sections of exhaust pipe shoved up your tailpipe. A specially welded additional bung is the best mounting strategy.

The sensor reads the partial pressure of gases in the exhaust and infers the AFR, rather than by measuring some magical AFR directly. This may be an issue on forced induction, and in particular, on turbo-charged engines.

  • AFRs will indicate richer than they are, causing you to run leaner than you think.
  • Lean AFR's will be richer (or less lean) than indicted.

A solution is to ensure you locate your sensor away from the turbo, and certainly on the exhaust (low pressure) side of the turbo rather than the engine side.

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