X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.17] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2560402 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:41:45 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.17; envelope-from=wschertz@comcast.net Received: from OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MQPN1Y0011GhbT80500h00; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:40:56 +0000 Received: from WschertzPC ([24.14.180.216]) by OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MQgv1Y00P4gXqlk0300000; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:40:56 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wUcs6QoU_CMA:10 a=v1hivseuAAAA:8 a=gBp4o9OiAAAA:8 a=-CCsd6mOAAAA:8 a=jZRv-JRP0sjpJw93NRMA:9 a=C3tcHg-WPIqlvbtwkzQA:7 a=jW-XTNAE7Lx84Ed8LSWXWD2NY9wA:4 a=zoKOyUDlhksA:10 a=qyN0e-U1pSxdZOP6Ke0A:9 a=Ui9wV2qrtwHiyWMg1DoA:7 a=aVLhRyi5jDegIn2sGXqqoAib8TQA:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Message-ID: From: "Bill Schertz" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Methods of charge cooling was Water/Meth injection Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:40:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C837D2.F1B1F290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C837D2.F1B1F290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ben, Jack Morrison, at Aurora Airport is running methanol-water injection in = a supercharged IO-540 in an E-racer. It lowered his cylinder head and = EGT temperatures. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS (reserved) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Methods of charge cooling was Water/Meth = injection Ben, here is a URL that gives a number of different ways to cool the = intake charge. You may find it interesting = http://www.landracing.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D= 24 Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ben Baltrusaitis=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:00 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Water/Meth injection I have moved away from the Rotary (shame on me) and toward the = Subaru. I have been researching how to get more torque and found the = only way is with boost. The street Subaru guys are injecting water and = methanol to avoid detonation under high boost--getting 450 hp from 2.5 = liters. The methanol and water cool the charge while the methanol also = increases the octane. This allows them to run 89 or 91 octane fuel under = low boost w/o injection and have high octane-high boost with injection. = The injection is set to start at a certain boost pressure or rpm level. I am going to go this route in my aerobatic biplane so I can run on = cheap fuel in econo cruise and still not detonate while doing full = throttle aerobatics. One of the side benefits of this injection is lower EGTs--as much as = 400 degrees. Has anyone done any testing with water injection to lower = EGTs? Another benefit is much cleaner combustion chambers. That sounds = useful to me, too. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3D937176 http://www.slowboyracing.com/estore/home.php?cat=3D4559 Ben ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C837D2.F1B1F290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ben,
Jack Morrison, at Aurora Airport = is running=20 methanol-water injection in a supercharged IO-540 in an E-racer. It = lowered his=20 cylinder head and EGT temperatures.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2007 7:01=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Methods of = charge=20 cooling was Water/Meth injection

Ben, here is a URL = that gives a=20 number of different ways to cool the intake charge.  You may find = it=20 interesting
 
http://www.landracing.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_con= tent&task=3Dview&id=3D24
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ben=20 Baltrusaitis
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2007 3:00=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Water/Meth=20 injection

I have moved away from the Rotary (shame on me) and toward the = Subaru.=20 I have been researching how to get more torque and found the only = way is=20 with boost. The street Subaru guys are injecting water and methanol = to avoid=20 detonation under high boost--getting 450 hp from 2.5 liters. The = methanol=20 and water cool the charge while the methanol also increases the = octane.=20 This allows them to run 89 or 91 octane fuel under low boost w/o = injection=20 and have high octane-high boost with injection. The injection is set = to=20 start at a certain boost pressure or rpm level.
 
I am going to go this route in my aerobatic biplane so I can = run on=20 cheap fuel in econo cruise and still not detonate while doing full = throttle=20 aerobatics.
 
One of the side benefits of this injection is lower EGTs--as = much as=20 400 degrees. Has anyone done any testing with water injection to = lower=20 EGTs?
 
Another benefit is much cleaner combustion chambers. That = sounds=20 useful to me, too.
 
http:/= /forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3D937176
 
http://w= ww.slowboyracing.com/estore/home.php?cat=3D4559
 
Ben 
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