X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2452095 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:13:36 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.162.179; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b25so208312elf for ; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=6IXATSAC2Sa1nXaA5RIsrh6PTWMtmsZsJ9Hl58wMDU4=; b=HPVF9cCoOEeX0PmNE81Q6ezGbd+AYw70zsyCmO5KlXN+qeAu0y/q757EYXR92vPvI/CT2dvOSL6vzgbN76m4bLddnzpNe5Dqd7qopsGZoIOZLJM7dkUyYiwN8bJ4x+3lfDm0iQWVo00GK0k3Q6aRQDaTpBeaMbDHBISmgz0oN7g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=O+ml4rDjDxAyAhFBgwb8UKoX87JdK/BnxWmM1fZEB60cr2qyU2SGQmoTTkHbMi0+XGPQg+B7P52htYjjyag8YfaeJVmR+Id/3wBeJmlPSnXf1b1ah8QkrGFVA173dljFLQVbAPe8Quvezte2NFv2bVuYll/QJZAN0BzmHSK9+88= Received: by 10.142.105.14 with SMTP id d14mr496468wfc.1194016377305; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.11.2 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1b4b137c0711020812y3ae7b864sf3a1e5b5afa7b3b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:12:57 -0400 From: "Tracy Crook" Sender: rwstracy@gmail.com To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Copperstate Fly-in report (interim) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2424_4296493.1194016377296" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: e65e5f5411bd9ba7 ------=_Part_2424_4296493.1194016377296 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Interesting indeed Pat. BTW, Thanks to you and Lynn Wesley for all the work you do on these events. I'm sure there were headaches other than this kind to deal with. Contact! has been a great read and getting better all the time. Keep it up. Copperstate was probably the most memorable fly-in trip I've ever made and I've regretted missing it the past few years due to scheduling conflicts. I'm going to make it next year even if I have to reschedule the Rotary Roundup fly-in around it. Tracy On 11/1/07, Patrick Panzera wrote: > > As an interesting tidbit=85 > > > > CONTACT! Magazine has hosted the alternative engine forums tent at > COPPERSTATE (as well as SnF) for close to 15 years. > > I took over the magazine a little over five years ago and kept the > tradition alive. > > > > Several weeks ago I received the below note from the Forums Chairman. > > > > >> Hi, Pat, > > >> > > >> Joel Mayhall called me today on behalf of Paul Lamar. Paul wants to > > >> present a forum on Mazda rotary engines. Do you have room for him? He > > >> requested a Saturday morning time slot (just like everybody else), > > >> but we can put him where we have room. I have never met him and don't > > >> know his level of expertise. Joel gave Paul's website as > > >> www.rotaryeng.net and his e-mail address as rotaryeng@earthlink.net. > > >> I haven't looked at his website yet. > > >> > > >> I told Joel I would pass the information to you. I'll let you decide > > >> if he's a legitimate resource for our forums program. Joel's e-mail > > >> address is jmay2174@yahoo.com, in case you need to contact him. > > >> > > >> If you have a partial schedule of engine forums, may I have a copy to > > >> put on the COPPERSTATE website? > > >> > > >> Thanks for your help and hard work. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Lynn > > > > So I fired off a note to Paul. > > > > >> Patrick Panzera wrote: > > >> > Hi Paul, > > >> > > > >> > Can we slot you for Friday @ 1pm? > > >> > Are you up for more time slots? > > >> > > > >> > What title(s) would you like to have printed in the program? > > >> > > > >> > Thanks! > > >> > > > >> > Pat > > > > Paul then wrote me back. > > (Note the lack of a greeting) > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Rotary Engine [mailto:rotaryeng@earthlink.net > ] > > >> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 1:29 PM > > >> To: Patrick Panzera > > >> Subject: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE Engine forum > > >> > > >> I don't know right now. > > >> > > >> However if it is under the guise or title of alternative engines I > > >> would not be interested. It all depends on how the schedule reads. > > >> > > >> Paul > > > > It's ALWAYS under the guise and title alternative engines, so I relied > thus... > > (all communications were cc'd to the Forums Chairman) > > > > >From: Patrick Panzera > > >Sent: Sep 28, 2007 5:14 PM > > >To: 'Lynn Wesley' , editor@contactmagazine.com > > >Cc: jharlow86@msn.com, rotaryeng@earthlink.net > > >Subject: RE: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE Engine forum > > > > > >Sorry to have bothered you Paul. > > > > > >I was under the impression that you asked to be scheduled, I didn't > > >realize strings were attached. > > > > > >Pat > > > > This is from the Forums Chairman, who is a little more diplomatic than I > can be. > > > > Paul, > > > > In response to Joel's phone call, we are offering you the opportunity to > present a forum on rotary engines at the COPPERSTATE Fly-In. We have > tentatively scheduled you at 1 pm on Friday, October 26 in Forum Tent 5. = If > you would like to present more than once, we do have other slots availabl= e. > > > > To clarify a bit, the aviation industry appears to have a practice of > referring to any powerplant other than a certified aircraft engine as an > alternative engine. In my own personal opinion, that may change as > development continues and engines presently called "alternative" outnumbe= r > the traditional certified engines. We'll see how things play out. > > > > As I stated earlier, we have tentatively scheduled you for one forum on > Friday. If you would like to change that, please let us know. > > > > I look forward to seeing you at COPPERSTATE. > > > > Regards, > > > > Lynn Wesley > > 2007 COPPERSTATE Forums Chairman > > > > Paul then seemed to backpedal a little, again no greeting. > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >From: Rotary Engine > > >> >Sent: Sep 29, 2007 11:56 PM > > >> >To: Lynn Wesley > > >> >Cc: Chuck Dunlap , Tom Parkes > > >> >, > > >> David Leonard > > >> >Subject: Re: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE Engine forum > > >> > > > >> >I would rather not make a commitment at this time. I may be > > >> >traveling over seas on business. > > >> > > > >> >I suggest you contact one of these people that are likely to fly > > >> >their rotary engine powered airplane to copper state. > > >> > > > >> >Chuck Dunlap RV6 Chuck Dunlap > > >> >Tom Parkes Lancair ES turbo Tom Parkes > > >> >Dave Leonard RV6 turbo David Leonard > > >> > > > >> >Paul Lamar > > > > So Lynn let him off the hook. > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Lynn Wesley [mailto:lwesley1@peoplepc.com > ] > > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:00 AM > > >> To: Rotary Engine > > >> Cc: Chuck Dunlap; Tom Parkes; David Leonard; jharlow86@msn.com; > > >> editor@contactmagazine.com; panzera@experimental-aviation.com > > >> Subject: Re: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE Engine forum > > >> > > >> OK. Thanks for the information, Paul. If not at COPPERSTATE, perhaps > > >> I'll get to meet you some other time. > > >> > > >> Pat, would you please see if one or more of these gentlemen would > > >> like to share their experience and expertise? > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Lynn W. > > > > What a pain in the rear! > > Lynn and I are done with him. > > He pulled similar stuff last year too. > > > > Pat > > > ------=_Part_2424_4296493.1194016377296 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Interesting indeed Pat.
 
BTW, Thanks to you and Lynn Wesley for all the work you do on the= se events.  I'm sure there were headaches other than thi= s kind to deal with.  Contact! has been a great read and getting bette= r all the time.  Keep it up.
 
 Copperstate was probably the most memorable fly-in trip I've= ever made and I've regretted missing it the past few years due to sche= duling conflicts.  I'm going to make it next year even if I have t= o reschedule the Rotary Roundup fly-in around it.    
 
Tracy
 
On 11/1/07, = Patrick Panzera <Panzera@experimental-aviation.com> wrote:

As an interesting tidbit=85<= /font>

 

CONTACT! Magazine has hosted the al= ternative engine forums tent at COPPERSTATE (as well as SnF) for close to 1= 5 years.

I took over the magazine a little o= ver five years ago and kept the tradition alive.

 

Several weeks ago I received the be= low note from the Forums Chairman.

 

>> Hi, Pat,

>>

>> Joel Mayhall called me today on b= ehalf of Paul Lamar. Paul wants to

>> present a forum on Mazda rotary e= ngines. Do you have room for him? He

>> requested a Saturday morning time= slot (just like everybody else),

>> but we can put him where we have = room. I have never met him and don't

>> know his level of expertise. Joel= gave Paul's website as

>> www.rotaryeng.net and his e-mail address as r= otaryeng@earthlink.net.

>> I haven't looked at his websi= te yet.

>>

>> I told Joel I would pass the info= rmation to you. I'll let you decide

>> if he's a legitimate resource= for our forums program. Joel's e-mail

>> address is jmay2174@yahoo.com, in case you need to contact him.

>>

>> If you have a partial schedule of= engine forums, may I have a copy to

>> put on the COPPERSTATE website?

>>

>> Thanks for your help and hard wor= k.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Lynn

 

So I fired off a note to Paul.

 

>> Patrick Panzera wrote:

>> > Hi Paul,

>> >

>> > Can we slot you for Friday @= 1pm?

>> > Are you up for more time slo= ts?

>> >

>> > What title(s) would you like= to have printed in the program?

>> >

>> > Thanks!

>> >

>> > Pat

 

Paul then wrote me back.

(Note the lack of a greeting)

 

>> -----Original Message-----=

>> From: Rotary Engine [ mailto:rotaryeng@earthlink.net]

>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 = 1:29 PM

>> To: Patrick Panzera=

>> Subject: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE Engi= ne forum

>>

>> I don't know right now.

>>

>> However if it is under the guise = or title of alternative engines I

>> would not be interested. It all d= epends on how the schedule reads.

>>

>> Paul

 

It's ALWAYS under the guise and tit= le alternative engines, so I relied thus...

(all communications were cc'd to th= e Forums Chairman)

 

>From: Patrick Panzera < Panzera@Experimental-Aviation.com>

>Sent: Sep 28, 2007 5:14 PM

>To: 'Lynn Wesley' < lwesley1@peoplepc.com>, editor@contactmagazine.com

>Cc: jharlow86@msn.com , rotaryeng@earthlink.net

>Subject: RE: PRIVATE  COPPERSTATE= Engine forum

> 

>Sorry to have bothered you Paul.

> 

>I was under the impression that you as= ked to be scheduled, I didn't

>realize strings were attached.<= /font>

> 

>Pat

 

This is from the Forums Chairman, w= ho is a little more diplomatic than I can be.

 

Paul,

 

In response to Joel's phone call, we a= re offering you the opportunity to present a forum on rotary engines at the= COPPERSTATE Fly-In. We have tentatively scheduled you at 1 pm on Friday, O= ctober 26 in Forum Tent 5. If you would like to present more than once, we = do have other slots available.

 

To clarify a bit, the aviation industry ap= pears to have a practice of referring to any powerplant other than a certif= ied aircraft engine as an alternative engine. In my own personal opinion, t= hat may change as development continues and engines presently called "= alternative" outnumber the traditional certified engines. We'll se= e how things play out.

 

As I stated earlier, we have tentatively s= cheduled you for one forum on Friday. If you would like to change that, ple= ase let us know.

 

I look forward to seeing you at COPPERSTAT= E.

 

Regards,

 

Lynn Wesley

2007 COPPERSTATE Forums Chairman

 

Paul then seemed to backpedal a lit= tle, again no greeting.

 

>> -----Original Message-----=

>> >From: Rotary Engine < rotaryeng@earthlink.net>

>> >Sent: Sep 29, 2007 11:56 PM

>> >To: Lynn Wesley < lwesley1@peoplepc.com>

>> >Cc: Chuck Dunlap < crayd@cableone.net>, Tom Parkes

>> >< tkpark@cableone.net>,

>> David Leonard < wdleonard@gmail.com>

>> >Subject: Re: PRIVATE  CO= PPERSTATE Engine forum

>> >

>> >I would rather not make a com= mitment at this time. I may be

>> >traveling over seas on busine= ss.

>> >

>> >I suggest you contact one of = these people that are likely to fly

>> >their rotary engine powered a= irplane to copper state.

>> >

>> >Chuck Dunlap RV6  &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   Chuck Dunlap < crayd@cableone.net>

>> >Tom Parkes   Lancai= r ES turbo Tom Parkes < tkpark@cableone.net>

>> >Dave Leonard RV6 turbo &= nbsp;           David Leo= nard < wdleonard@gmail.com>

>> >

>> >Paul Lamar

 

So Lynn let him off the hook.

 

>> -----Original Message-----=

>> From: Lynn Wesley [ mailto:lwesley1@peoplepc.com]

>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1= 1:00 AM

>> To: Rotary Engine

>> Cc: Chuck Dunlap; Tom Parkes; Dav= id Leonard; jharlow86@msn.com;

>> editor@contactmagazine.com; panzera@experimental-aviation.com

>> Subject: Re: PRIVATE COPPERSTATE = Engine forum

>>

>> OK. Thanks for the information, P= aul. If not at COPPERSTATE, perhaps

>> I'll get to meet you some oth= er time.

>>

>> Pat, would you please see if one = or more of these gentlemen would

>> like to share their experience an= d expertise?

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Lynn W.

 

What a pain in the rear!

Lynn and I are done with him.

He pulled similar stuff last year t= oo.

 

Pat

 


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