X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mtai03.charter.net ([209.225.8.183] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2450850 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:34:21 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.225.8.183; envelope-from=cardmarc@charter.net Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20071101213345.LOPE21729.mtai03.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:33:45 -0400 Received: from homeoffice ([68.191.210.178]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20071101213343.TQVN23773.aarprv04.charter.net@homeoffice> for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:33:43 -0400 From: "Marc Wiese" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: Turbochargers for 200 hp airflow rates for turbonormalizing Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <004001c81cce$e18946d0$6500a8c0@homeoffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Chzlrs: 0 this data from lyc 10360 A1B turbo (normalized) charged, ~ 200 hp engine...) =20 Induction Air Temperature? =20 Gents: =20 What temperature rise do you typically see across your turbo? =20 [At my typical cruise of 16,500 or 17,500 I typically see IAT of about=20 177 F at 28.5" and 2550 RPM, flowing about 10 GPH.] =20 After putting the IAT probe in, I've observed the temperature on four=20 flights. Running at 25/25, the IAT is 160F to 170F, ~110F above ambient = (50F to 60F), at 10,500 and 11,500. Temperature drops at lower power=20 settings, same altitude and external temperature. I think I saw about=20 140F when I pulled the power back to21" in some turbulence. That=20 doesn't seem right - if the turbo is matched to the airflow, I think=20 delta T should be mostly a function of the pressure rise and less so the = work input (exhaust volume through turbo, which I assume would scale=20 roughly 1:3 with intake flow), so I would not expect a significant=20 temperature change with throttle position, only with altitude.=20 Obviously I'm wrong. An adiabatic rise would be ~65F to 95F depending=20 on the controller setpoint. (That's 13" to 19" rise, for a setpoint of=20 32" to 38" Hg.) =20 [It's going to be more than adiabatic, 'cause the compressor is far from = an ideally efficient machine. There have been two iterations now toward=20 higher efficiency... first, TurboFlite started using a different=20 compressor unit that was a bit more efficient at our operating point.=20 And now TATI is considering using the same turbo that's used in the=20 Cirrus install... an even more efficient unit. As far as the throttle=20 change correlation, remember that your increasing mass flow through the=20 machine, and hence moving the turbine and compressors along their = curves...] =20 Marc Wiese, 20B and 94 13B t engines=20