Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #38644
From: George Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: carbs vs efi
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:23:46 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Does anyone know the IO/IC and size and HP of the factory P-port.
 
Lynn, does the timing given, calculated by the rotor uncovering and covering the port, or the side seal uncovering/covering the port opening?
I was thinking the RX8 rotor will be slightly different (bigger) with the harased edges.
George ( down under)
I only have 12A stuff, but here you are:
 
Intake port at the manifold.    1.695" Round
 
Exhaust port at the manifold  1.645" Round
 
IO  86 Degrees BTDC
IC  75 Degrees ABDC
EO 73 Degrees BBDC
EC 65 Degrees ATDC
 
A Racing Beat Street Port:
 
IO  25 Degrees ATDC
IC  60 Degrees ABDC
EO 84 Degrees BBDC
EC 48 Degrees ATDC
 
In side port engines, it is the rotor closing the port.
In the peripheral port engines it is the apex seal closing the port. Actually the port is timed by the apex seal.
The port never closes in the way the side port engine has the rotor blank off the port in operation.
So, the Pport can flow way more than the side port, even with smaller runners and ports.
 
Lynn E. Hanover

Lynn, and Jerry
Thanks and that confirms my testing, I set-up my degree wheel and mapped out the degrees and measured the distance and sure enough 44mm= 1.73.
43mm = 1.695.
 
I've also confirmed the street ports (side ports) can't flow the necessary amount for the HP required, running out of puff @ 164 KW/ 264HP at 8,500 or about 116/117 hp at 7,500 - we can do better.
 
So now that I have convinced myself - it's back to the P-port.  As Lynn said the P-port flows more than the street port for a number of reasons, but one thing surprised me to hear was that the rotary can't overcome a choked inlet to the extent a piston engine can - therefore  any restrictive inlet will result in less HP. Apparently the velocity increase argument doesn't exist because of this reason, so a smaller p-port inlet is out. Not only this but with a restrictive port the engine is likely to pull exhaust( because of the overlap), causing rough running, with a sudden decrease in RPM - so I'm led to believe.
 
Therefore I need a carby with a inlet of 44mm or two smaller ones. I know Bill Jepson is aiming for 1.8" P-ports ( 45.72mm) in his 20B - this is all getting close to PL claims of 2" OD.
 
This isn't a wasted exercise on my part, so I hope someone else got something out of it as well.
George ( down under)
 
 


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