X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTP id 2190587 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:04:11 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.131.116; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from mwebmail19.att.net ([204.127.135.58]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <200707210503231120069lfge>; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:03:33 +0000 Received: from [4.245.52.80] by mwebmail19.att.net; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:03:22 +0000 From: keltro@att.net (Kelly Troyer) To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] carbs vs efi Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:03:22 +0000 Message-Id: <072120070503.7177.46A19399000B7E2500001C092160281060019D9B040A05@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 24 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: a2VsdHJvQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7177_1184994202_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7177_1184994202_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keven, The first 13b rotary powered a/c I was lucky enough to get a ride in belonged to Ron Gowan from Ft. Worth, Tx in the mid 1990's.......Ron's Long Eze had a Marvel /Schebler "HA-6" (Horizontal) carb that was used on the Beechcraft "Musketeer"and perhaps other a/c......I believe Ron has about 500 hrs of rotary time with that carb.......Ron is the DAR that just recently signed of Mark Steitle's 20B powered "Lancair ES.......I do not know what if any mods (Jet changes,etc) that Ron made to the HA-6........Perhaps if he is listening he will fill us in........FWIW -- Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold -------------- Original message from "kevin lane" : -------------- I have been surprised at the recent flurry of carb postings. I assumed that everyone was doing EFI. having experienced total electrical failure in march on a trip to the Bahamas I was thinking a lot about that Neanderthal carb bolted under my O320 and the magnetos, all unaware of what was going on in the radio, GPS, and nav lights departments. the reality is that you don't want a reserve battery to get you to the ground safely, you want to get to the Bahamas and back and THEN look into what's wrong. my questions are "how much power/performance is lost with a carb, and which carbs can do manual mixture?". is it stupid to ask if the Lycoming carb could run a 13B? someone mentioned Harley carbs having a good history of rough service. what about marvel/schebler? is this question heresy? :-) isn't efi a bit of overkill for an engine that basically runs at 100% power, 75% power and idle? scanning thru the archives I see a lot of postings regarding mixture, mapping, abrupt failures and such. does this complexity buy us 5%, 20%? the question of turbo-charging seems to beg similar line of questioning. kevin --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7177_1184994202_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Keven,
      The first 13b rotary powered a/c I was lucky enough to get a ride in
belonged to Ron Gowan from Ft. Worth, Tx in the mid 1990's.......Ron's
Long Eze had a Marvel /Schebler "HA-6" (Horizontal) carb that was used
on the Beechcraft "Musketeer"and perhaps other a/c......I believe Ron
has about 500 hrs of rotary time with that carb.......Ron is the DAR that
just recently signed of Mark Steitle's 20B powered "Lancair ES.......I
do not know what if any mods (Jet changes,etc) that Ron made to the
HA-6........Perhaps if he is listening he will fill us in........FWIW
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold




-------------- Original message from "kevin lane" <n3773@comcast.net>: --------------

I have been surprised at the recent flurry of carb postings.  I assumed that everyone was doing EFI.  having experienced total electrical failure in march on a trip to the Bahamas I was thinking a lot about that Neanderthal carb bolted under my O320 and the magnetos, all unaware of what was going on in the radio, GPS, and nav lights departments.    the reality is that you don't want a reserve battery to get you to the ground safely, you want to get to the Bahamas and back and THEN look into what's wrong.
my questions are "how much power/performance is lost with a carb, and which carbs can do manual mixture?".  is it stupid to ask if the Lycoming carb could run a 13B?  someone mentioned Harley carbs having a good history of rough service.  what about marvel/schebler?  is this question heresy? :-)  isn't efi a bit of overkill for an engine that basically runs at 100% power, 75% power and idle?  scanning thru the archives I see a lot of postings regarding mixture, mapping, abrupt failures and such.  does this complexity buy us 5%, 20%?  the question of turbo-charging seems to beg similar line of questioning.    kevin
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