Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #38570
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil cooler inlet
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:42:09 -0800
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Well; I may end up with VGs and change in upper duct wall shape. My intention yesterday was to install VGs as a first step, test fly, measure pressure and temps; then proceed with installing sheet metal upper duct wall change.

 

In deciding where to put the VGs, I looked at things with the gear up (Photo 1).  The gear door has a bump, and there is some gap around the door.  Don’t know what all this does to BL.  Ended up putting VG toward the left side about 26” in font of scoop, and toward the right side right on the gear door bump.

 

I then spent a bunch of time trying to get the pressure measuring tube situated.  The only access is through the scoop opening, and I can’t get my hands in there; so it is very tough.  Plus the tube going in there, or along the surface in front will affect the flow behavior, so what affect are we going to measure.  Having multiple measurements would be great; but very difficult to achieve.

 

While doing that, I spent some time looking in there with a small mirror.  What I noted was that initial gaps above and below the cooler (required to slide the unit in and out) had changed a bit.  The cooler is supported on pads of ‘Cool-Mat’ insulation.  Those have compressed just a little, so now there is very little gap at the bottom, and 1/8”+ along the top.  That is a fairly substantial leak, and the loss of pressure at the top likely exacerbates the flow separation.  I decided it wasn’t worth going to test the VGs as long as that leakage gap was there.

 

Taking the wing off (mostly getting it back on because of next to impossible access to nuts), and removing the cooler looks a bit much right now.  I realized then; that by putting in a sheet metal ‘false’ upper duct wall, I could extend it up into the gap at the top (photo 2), thereby changing the shape, and (mostly) closing the gap at the top.

 

The false wall has to be in three parts for the three openings, and there will be gaps between because of the supporting dividers; but it could make a substantial difference.  I made the piece for the center, and considered testing just that; but the upper gap concerns me enough that I think I’ll try to get all three fit in.

 

Then go take a flight test. Unfortunately this combines three changes, VGs, closing gap, and changing duct wall.  I had hoped to test these one at a time.  If there is a substantial change; it will be easy to remove the VGs to see what that effect was.

 

Of course I’ll let you know when I get some results.

 

Oh, the price of innovationJ.

 

Al

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Jakits
Sent:
Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:31 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil cooler inlet

 

Okay,

 

Monty thinks the emphasis is on the BL.

I believe (don't know), the main-problem is the upper ductwall shape. Even if you have perfect BL flow, the upper wall shape is still not good and will stall the flow.

At the end of the game you want good flow at all speeds and be able to close any ducts to limit excess cooling (when you hopefully get there).

Obviously BL will play a role in your installation as the intake is rather narrow.

However BL or not - BL does not mean there is no flow, just slower and more turbulent, but still generally going towards the cooler.

Aerodynamics in the duct should be much the same for laminar, turbulent, any flow, as long as there is flow.

When things stall is when flow pretty much ceases (in the stalled area ....), no matter how well things where at the entrance.

The stall in this case is rather "easy" to get, as the speed seems rather low already. Still may be good enough if you can do away with the stall.

So I suggest to work on the duct wall first and optimize it.

 

As suggested, with some kind of sheet, alu, fiberglass, etc. You can curve it more and more until you peak.

Maybe pinched ducts (copyright Ed!!) are not working here, but it may as well - if they work a Ed's theory explains (energizes the flow...)

 

If this works, modify according to the best shape found.

Then try to improve with VGs or sanding or turbolator tape.

Then go for the exit - after all it is a differential pressure game....

 

TJ

 

On 7/18/07, M Roberts <montyr2157@alltel.net> wrote:

Al,

 

I think you need to do something to energize the boundary layer. If you can't divert it you need to put some energy into it. It is probably getting slow and separating from the face of the duct. That is what your data seems to indicate to me.

 

I like the shape that Thomas proposes better than what you have now, however, I still think you will need some VG's in front of the inlet.

 

I know it may seem counter intuitive, but turbulence may actually help in this case. You will not get very efficient internal diffusion, but it will be a lot better than what you have now. I don't think that putting a turning vane will help too much without doing something to energize the boundary layer first. You'll just have a slow thick low energy layer, and a high energy layer separated by a turning vane.

 

It is really easy to duct tape some aluminum VG's in front of the inlet and see what it does.

 

You may need a combination of Thomas' contour, VG's and a turning vane. Go with the easy fix and work your way up in complexity.

 

Monty

 

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