Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #38516
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil cooler inlet
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:24:43 -0800
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Good ideas TJ.  I agree that the upper wall shape is not good. Didn’t concern myself that much about it originally because I had been assured that the negative pressure at the exit above the wing would take care of things.  NOT!!!

 

 I think I would shape it such that there was no contraction of the area, because; based on past experience with scoops, where you do not have external diffusion to help you out, any contraction in the duct causes back pressure and air spilling around the scoop, especially if you are ingesting the BL.  Best if you can have continued expansion once past the entrance.

 

Monty; you may well be right; it may take a combination. However, I did put VGs in front of the entrance, and it did not make a noticeable difference.  They were only about 8” forward of the entrance because of the gear well that is there.  I think I will try again with them further forward – on the gear door covers; and make them a bit taller this time. 

 

Al

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Jakits
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:26 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil cooler inlet

 

Hi all,

 

please keep in mind that I am here only with theory at this time, also I am excomunicato from PL-heaven (maybe that counts for something?? :)).

 

What I gathered so far from the cooling discussions, I would try the following in this case:

 

a) any of the lines I have drawn into the sketch OC scoop-03

b) to add a little, make sure the intake lip has a smooth lip, with the biggest possible radius on the inside

c) IF your glass finish is "absolutely perfect" in front of the intake, I'd sand it with 400 or 360 in flow direction: mask of the area and only sand in one direction ( I would draw the block away from the intake...). The idea is to rough up the surface and create miniature vortex generators

if c) does nothing

d) Try out "real" vortex generators.

 

However, I believe (...if your sketch is sufficiently accurate) the most loss you see from "stall" in area B.

The red line is rather conservative (the first one I tried in paint :))

Bue and Magenta should get you fairly close to streamline. Magenta pushing towards Ed's "pinched ducts" system :) 

 

Personally I would try some foam insert before I would mess with turning vanes. AS your sketch looks you will not be done with a vane, as the air still slows too much because of the excessive retreat of the the upper duct wall....

 

Hope it helps!

Stand to be corrected!

 

TJ

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