Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #3843
From: Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EWP - series pumps and wacky ideas
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:39:52 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sorry for not snipping original msg more but needed this much to maintain thought  continuity.   
Just as a data point,  I will retell my experience with coolant circulation loss.
 
Due to a malfunctioning pressure cap I lost about 3-4 quarts of coolant on a flight back from an RV fly-in in Texas.  I was only about 10 minutes into the flight when this occurred.  No temperature clue to the coolant loss  until it got below waterpump level.  Temp went from normal to redline in SECONDS.  There was an indication that something was wrong on the coolant pressure gauge which read only 2-3 psi , which I chose to ignore.  I was keen to get home.   (stupid - stupid - Stupid!)
 
I immediately reduced power and hit goto nearest on GPS when the alarm went off and was about 8 miles from nearest.  Altitude was 3700 ft AGL.   Temperature stabilized at around 255 degrees but that may have been the upper limit of the GRT EIS.  Declared emergency and made a straight in approach & landing.  Engine continued to run normally throughout landing & taxi.  Obvious hot coolant smell when I shut down & got out to see the damage.
 
When I found the cap seal problem (& fixed)  I let engine cool and topped off the system with water.  Coolant pressure returned to normal and rest of flight home was normal.   I'm still flying this same engine which shows no ill effects from the incident.
 
Here is the significant thing that I got out of this.  After the coolant loss below pump level,  the temperature was held to a "safe" temp by the remaining coolant in block being boiled off.   Conventional wisdom says that best place for waterpump is low point in the system but in this scenario it may have resulted in pumping the remaining coolant out of the system instead of leaving it in the block to cool the engine from latent heat of steam.  I credit this factor with saving the engine.
 
Just something to think about when positioning those EWPs!
 
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Sower
 
Rusty,
I can see your point.  My ideas were motivated by my ambivalence around running both pumps all the time (I'm uncomfortable with that for reasons that I can't support really well) and the backup switch that turns on the standby pump in the event of main pump failure (that's an unknown quantity to me as far as reliability goes).  I was looking to examine as many failure modes as possible.  Of course, as just occurred to me, the backup pump switch would be exactly as reliable as the overtemp alarm, since they'd both be driven by identical (if not the same) detection device.

You're right in saying that we both have to make our own estimates of the unknown consequences of various failures, and you're the man in the driver's seat here.  Keep up the good work.  Your research is going to relieve me of that chore.  Don't think I don't appreciate that.

Russell Duffy wrote:

If it was me, I'd do a little testing - start at cruise at altitude - and shut off the pump and see what happens and how fast.

I'll just have to wait and see how it works for you, because there's no way I'm doing it.  I think you're closer to underestimating the damage, than I am to overestimating it, and if I have to be wrong, I'd much rather be on the safe side.

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