X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.69] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTP id 2138073 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:04:07 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.69; envelope-from=CBarber@TexasAttorney.net Received: from [24.238.208.71] (helo=userte4ok6qti7) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I2dvO-0002sG-CQ for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:03:31 -0400 Message-ID: <055401c7b6cd$0ab5b560$0401a8c0@userte4ok6qti7> From: "Christopher Barber" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Method of Killing the engine [FlyRotary] ECU/EM upgraded...a couple of questions Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:03:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0551_01C7B6A3.2019E180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-ELNK-Trace: 04a7e290e6af3b12d3631fa4f7b525ef239a348a220c26093f1315d41cb1345d0cd8ee134e8f0da2a2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.238.208.71 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0551_01C7B6A3.2019E180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tracy, That is EXACTLY what is was. The contrast control knob had not been = hooked up yet as it got late much faster than I wanted it to. So, I = went out there after work today and installed the knob, twisted it and = up came little numbers. I can't tell ya how beautiful it was.=20 The manual speaks of a LCD backlight dimmer switch , but I don't have = it. It is just a common switch or is something special? If special, I = will want to get one from ya when you return from you trip. If not, can = you tell me what to look for locally please. Now to start trying to figure stuff out...what is working and what is = not quite working. The engine seems to start easy one time and then not = the next (maybe flodding?). Also, when it is running, the rpm seems to = be jumping all over the place. Mostly in the 3000 rpm range...at least = that is what I am shooting for, for now, but it will jump up to 6000, = then 8000 back to the 3000 range in a very inconsistant manner. When I = add throttle it goes up, but still seems eratic. I am getting ready to = read the manuals again now that the pieces are starting to fit together = and see if the mist will clear a bit. Man, without anything but a straight pipe (actually a turbo exhaust w/ = waistgate opening and the tubo mount flange blocked off with a metal = plate) this engine is LOUD. It does make is sound very, very powerful = though . Again, thanks Tracy and all the rest of y'all. Your continued input is = very reassuring. All the best, Chris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracy Crook=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Method of Killing the engine [FlyRotary] = ECU/EM upgraded...a couple of questions Chris, My guess is that if you do have power, the EM2 either has the contrast = control turned up too high or is mis-wired. First twist the contrast = control to both ends of travel and watch the display. If still no joy, = check wiring. You do have the contrast control installed, right? Only = the LCD version uses this control and yours is an LCD. Normally the = contrast control will be turned fully CCW unless the temperature is = really hot or really cold.=20 PS: Don't be bashful about using the mixture control on the EC2. = Turning it is the fastest way to get an education on how the engine = reacts to mixture changes. Every pilot NEEDS this education on an = experimental engine. If it runs better after you turn the pumps off, = it's telling you what you thought : (TOO RICH).=20 Tracy =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Christopher Barber" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] ECU/EM upgraded...a couple of questions >I got my ECU and EM back yesterday and installed the ECU. It was = really nice > to have the upgrade that allows diagnostic modes. Hit the button = and you can=20 > really hear the injectors clicking as if you are at 3000 RPM's. = Very > reassuring >=20 > The engine started after only a couple of minutes the first time = and then > started easily after that. As a matter of fact, it is stopping the = engine=20 > that has been curious. I will turn the fuel pump off but the = engine will > continue to run for several minutes after the pumps are off (I can = still > kill the system by flicking the coils/injectors off but I believe = this can=20 > lead to flooding and is "bad form"). Actually, the engine really = sound nice > just before it does stop due to fuel starvation....yeah, I think I = am > running really rich 'cause when I lean, it really smoothes out.=20 >=20 > I am having a another problem though which is really bugging me. I = can't > seem to get the EM (Engine Monitor) to come online. The screen = remains > blank. This is the same as was happening before I sent it and the = ECU back=20 > to Tracy for upgrade. Tracy ok'ed the units, but my screen is = still blank. > It seems to not be getting any power. I have checked and = rechecked the > wires. I do NOT have all the sensors hooked up yet, but it is my=20 > understanding that all you should need is power and the data = in/data out and > you should get some base readings. >=20 > I was stupidly careful about having all power disconnected and = made a > cursory investigation as to the grounds before time ran out. Does = the unit=20 > have an "on" switch that I am missing, or does it come up when = ships power > is applied? >=20 > Please, what am I missing? I would really like to see what is = actually > happening in my engine. I would also feel ok to run it longer if = the reading=20 > seem "normal"....or at least workable. But, until I can get the = monitor up > the engine tweaking is limited. >=20 > I was only able to "play" with it a few minutes before I had to go = home and=20 > go to bed (4:30 am comes very early, and yes, I work = weekends.....but I am > off tomorrow and Tuesday ), so I still need to investigate. = However, > anything obvious that jumps out at y'all that could help is = appreciated.=20 >=20 > Thanks again. >=20 > All the best, >=20 > Chris >=20 > Christopher Barber > Attorney and Counselor at Law > 5110 Bissonnet, No 418 > Bellaire, Texas 77401 >=20 > Serving the Needs of Senior Texans >=20 > 281-464-LAWS (5297) > 281-754-4168 Fax > www.TexasAttorney.net >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0551_01C7B6A3.2019E180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tracy,
 
That is EXACTLY what is was.  The = contrast=20 control knob had not been hooked up yet as it got late much faster than = I wanted=20 it to.  So, I went out there after work today and installed the = knob,=20 twisted it and up came little numbers.  I can't tell ya how = beautiful it=20 was.
 
The manual speaks of a LCD backlight = dimmer=20 switch , but I don't have it.  It is just a common switch or = is=20 something special?  If special, I will want to get one from ya when = you=20 return from you trip.  If not, can you tell me what to look for = locally=20 please.
 
Now to start trying to figure stuff = out...what is=20 working and what is not quite working.  The engine seems to start = easy one=20 time and then not the next (maybe flodding?).  Also, when it is = running,=20 the rpm seems to be jumping all over the place.  Mostly in the 3000 = rpm=20 range...at least that is what I am shooting for, for now, but it will = jump up to=20 6000, then 8000 back to the 3000 range in a very inconsistant = manner.  When=20 I add throttle it goes up, but still seems eratic.   I am = getting=20 ready to read the manuals again now that the pieces are starting to fit = together=20 and see if the mist will clear a bit.
 
Man, without anything but a straight = pipe (actually=20 a turbo exhaust w/ waistgate opening and the tubo mount flange blocked = off with=20 a metal plate) this engine is LOUD.  It does make is sound very, = very=20 powerful though <g>.
 
Again, thanks Tracy and all the rest of = y'all.  Your continued input is very reassuring.
 
All the best,
 
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracy=20 Crook
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 = 8:18 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Method = of=20 Killing the engine [FlyRotary] ECU/EM upgraded...a couple of = questions


Chris,
My guess is that if you do have power, the EM2 either has the = contrast=20 control turned up too high or is mis-wired.   First twist = the=20 contrast control to both ends of travel and watch the display.  = If still=20 no joy, check wiring.  You do have the contrast control = installed,=20 right?   Only the LCD version uses this control and yours is = an=20 LCD.  Normally the contrast control will be turned fully CCW = unless the=20 temperature is really hot or really cold.
 
PS:  Don't be bashful about using the mixture control on the = EC2.  Turning it is the fastest way to get an education on how = the engine=20 reacts to mixture changes.  Every pilot NEEDS this education on = an=20 experimental engine.  If it runs better after you turn the pumps = off,=20 it's telling you what you thought :  (TOO RICH).
 
Tracy

 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Barber" <CBarber@TexasAttorney.net >
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net >
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:48 = AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] ECU/EM upgraded...a = couple of=20 questions

>I = got my ECU and=20 EM back yesterday and installed the ECU. It was really nice
> = to have=20 the upgrade that allows diagnostic modes. Hit the button and you can =
> really hear the injectors clicking as if you are at 3000=20 RPM's.  Very
> reassuring
>
> The engine = started=20 after only a couple of minutes the first time and then
> = started=20 easily after that. As a matter of fact, it is stopping the engine =
>=20 that has been curious. I will turn the fuel pump off but the engine=20 will
> continue to run for several minutes after the pumps are = off (I=20 can still
> kill the system by flicking the coils/injectors = off but I=20 believe this can
> lead to flooding and is "bad form"). = Actually, the=20 engine really sound nice
> just before it does stop due to = fuel=20 starvation....yeah, I think I am
> running really rich 'cause = when I=20 lean, it really smoothes out.
>
> I am having a = another=20 problem though which is really bugging me. I can't
> seem to = get the=20 EM (Engine Monitor) to come online. The screen remains
> = blank. This=20 is the same as was happening before I sent it and the ECU back =
> to=20 Tracy for upgrade. Tracy ok'ed the units, but my screen is still=20 blank.
> It seems to not be getting any power.  I have = checked=20 and rechecked the
> wires. I do NOT have all the sensors = hooked up=20 yet, but it is my
> understanding that all you should need is = power=20 and the data in/data out and
> you should get some base=20 readings.
>
> I was stupidly careful about having all = power=20 disconnected and made a
> cursory investigation as to the = grounds=20 before time ran out.  Does the unit
> have an "on" = switch that I=20 am missing, or does it come up when ships power
> is = applied?
>=20
> Please, what am I missing? I would really like to see what = is=20 actually
> happening in my engine. I would also feel ok to run = it=20 longer if the reading
> seem "normal"....or at least = workable. But,=20 until I can get the monitor up
> the engine tweaking is=20 limited.
>
> I was only able to "play" with it a few = minutes=20 before I had to go home and
> go to bed (4:30 am comes very = early,=20 and yes, I work weekends.....but I am
> off tomorrow and = Tuesday=20 <yea>), so I still need to investigate. However,
> = anything=20 obvious that jumps out at y'all that could help is appreciated. =
>=20
> Thanks again.
>
> All the best,
> =
>=20 Chris
>
> Christopher Barber
> Attorney and = Counselor at=20 Law
> 5110 Bissonnet, No 418
> Bellaire, Texas = 77401
>=20
> Serving the Needs of Senior Texans
>
> = 281-464-LAWS=20 (5297)
> 281-754-4168 Fax
>
www.TexasAttorney.net
>=20
>
> --
> Homepage: 
http://www.flyrotary.com/
>=20 Archive and UnSub:   http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html

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