Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #37689
From: Bill Schertz <wschertz@comcast.net>
Subject: EM-2 RPM indications
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:12:47 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob White" <rlwhite@comcast.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] EC2 operations, was Re: Houston, we have a problem...


On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:11:53 -0800
"Al Gietzen" <ALVentures@cox.net> wrote:

Tracy does some magic stuff with that EC2.  With a V8 there are always
two injector firing at once.  As best I can understand it, the fuel is
squirted in sort of whenever and the engine sucks it in when it needs
it.  So for a 20B, he uses 3 signals for the injectors and one for the
staging relay which applies power to the secondaries.

Bob W.

Unfortunately, taking that approach on the 20B version lead to a back-door
circuit to the secondary through the primary, allowing about 1/2 voltage
pulses to the injectors that are turned off.  It's going to take some diodes
in the injector circuit to cut that off.  Haven't installed those yet.

Al


Hmmm, I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that when I
disable the primary injectors the EM2 RPM reading doubles.  I expected
it to go to zero.  It reads fine with the secondaries disabled.  This
is on a 13B of course.  Eventually I would have put a scope on it but
now I'll let the next guy do it. :)

Bob W.
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This has high relevance/interest for me! I have been test running the engine, and to get it to run smoothly, I need to remove power (disable) the primary injectors. When primary's are on, the engine runs much too rich. I noticed the RPM seemed awfully high, so we got a prop tach, and discovered, as Bob mentions above, that the EM-2 Tachometer is reading 2x the actual RPM!!  I switch to primaries and it reads correctly.

I ran for ~40 minutes at ~ 3500 RPM, and the OIL PAN temperature reached 200 F, the OIL Temp at the filter reached~170 and pretty much stabilized, and coolant temp was between 170 and 190F.  This was all on running on the secondaries only, with periodic attempts to run on the primary's, terminated as the engine bogged down rich.

During this run, on the seconaries, the EGT's were 1500 and 1400 respectively. Whenever I would turn onthe primaries in addition to the secondaries, the EGT's would drop, indicating too rich (down to 900 F).

A second run was made, where I tried to force it to run on the primaries, using mode 3 to reduce injector flow rate. Multiple pushes on the store button brought the mixture down somewhat, but the EGT spread was 1300 on one rotor, and 1000 or below on the other.

The third experiment was to run on secondaries, and switch to controller B. It had no noticable effect. However I did notice the effect of reducing injector flow rate from the second run mentioned above because I had to do considerable enrichment to get it to run smoothly.

My conclusion is that

1. I have a faulty primary injector on one rotor, causing it to run rich.

2. I was totally puzzeled by the doubling of Tach RPM when running on secondaries only. Has anyone else noticed that?

3. My cooling seems to be doing okay so far. Temps stabilized with extended running at above idle speed.

4. I have to move my fuel pressure regulator, as it sets up motion that will lead to fatigue eventually.

5. I have a small oil leak around the oil pressure sensor threads.

6. It must sound 'different' because various builders/pilots came by to see what was making the racket while I was running it.

Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
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