X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.249] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2082945 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:06:41 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.132.249; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b2so298152ana for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 05:06:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=L9L5+ztVpSMeIY+Fwc7Q03fE4Go3KxiOpxzKVq/q8/pkdMhR1rSPCOHvCvD6Q+4+c+87r5lBg+CSf2ytsIrvOjzFEcIsYCrzUUW+6pvF9pKBQ213ukCWpRDr1MtNYoZCo/yA445dXGNCqIYvrPO06fUyllEF+zqITZnQUTY4jnI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KTo7nPjw5sZFUtpEpzYmEpYG0vu3m9+tU6hS5fIun0BQVJAv+hp+7KZTyobNnd5hD1S82QR+6svVOQe+vsrHpD6GAHWVF1nnC8FomZZesay/Yyx7mtj/NbP/sbR6biHnH6UB5uRd+UqucOaKy4e/3UNVF5uyHWhkPfAGNof2fbk= Received: by 10.100.226.15 with SMTP id y15mr2500980ang.1180958762576; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 05:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.38.20 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5cf132c0706040506v4350ab9cvab608f913220ec94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:06:02 -0500 From: "Mark Steitle" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: MAP Referenced Fuel Pressure Regulator In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_853_15848020.1180958762533" References: ------=_Part_853_15848020.1180958762533 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'll have to set the EC-2 and EM-2 manuals next to the bed for those nights when I can't sleep. Actually, it really hadn't been a problem until I set my fp to 41psi. Now it only flashes while the engine isn't running. As soon as I start the engine, fp drops and the flashing quits. I'm sure I could benefit from reading the manual a few dozen more times. I'll have to put it in the pile with my EFIS manual and POH and FAR/AIM. That should keep me busy until the year 2050. Mark S. On 6/3/07, Bob White wrote: > > The limits are programmable and you need to adjust them for your > situation. Also, the calibration on your fuel pressure sensor could be > off and need to be set. That whole procedure can be a little confusing > but it makes sense after reading the instructions 10 or 15 times and > doing 20 or 30 settings. :) Some of the default settings on my EM2 > had to be adjusted just to get the pressure sensors to read zero when > there was no pressure applied. > > Bob W. > > On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:31:34 -0500 > "Mark Steitle" wrote: > > > Ed, > > > > I have not changed any of the EM-2's factory warning settings. So, I > > assumed that this is what Tracy programmed. > > > > Mark > > > > > > On 6/3/07, Ed Anderson wrote: > > > > > > Mark, When you say the EM2 doesn't like it that high - isn't that > because > > > of a warning limit you have set in it? Or have left it at a default > > > setting? I agree that if the fuel pressure should suddenly start > showing > > > higher readings it could possibly indicate something like blockage in > fuel > > > return from the pressure regulator or a filter getting plugged up, > etc. So > > > its nice to have a warning on the high end. > > > > > > But, I find it difficult to believe that Tracy hard coded in a > pressure of > > > 41 psi. But 41 psi at high power setting and 35 at idle also seem > quite in > > > the ball park. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > *From:* Mark Steitle > > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > > *Sent:* Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:02 PM > > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: MAP Referenced Fuel Pressure Regulator > > > > > > > > > Ed, > > > Yes, 41 sounds reasonable, except the EM-2 doesn't like it that > high. It > > > flashes until the engine is started and the fp drops. I adjusted my > static > > > fuel pressure up to 41 psi today. That initial setting now gives > approx. > > > 34psi at idle. FWIW > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > On 6/3/07, Ed Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > > > Yes, I can tell you, but doubt it will be too meaningful. > > > > > > > > My regulator does have a reference to the manifold - but, this > > > > apparently only causes the pressure regulator to react to positive > (boost) > > > > manifold pressure - in otherwords while under boost pressures the > > > > regulator will increase fuel flow to the injectors by increasing > pressure. It > > > > apparently does not regulate the fuel pressure at normal manifold > pressure > > > > ranges. > > > > > > > > But, in any case my pressure regulator keeps the fuel pressure at 41 > psi > > > > with one pump on and it increases to 43 with both pumps > on. Again,changing > > > > manifold pressure does not affect my fuel pressure. > > > > > > > > I intend to swap it out (someday) for one that is a true manifold > > > > referenced regulator - but, sigh, just always seems to be something > else to > > > > do - and it has worked for me for 10 years. But, I could probably > get an > > > > even smoother idle if I swapped it out. > > > > > > > > I would say 41-43 psi would be a reasonable setting. > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > *From:* Mark Steitle > > > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 02, 2007 8:25 PM > > > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] MAP Referenced Fuel Pressure Regulator > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > > > Can you tell me what pressures you're seeing on your fuel pressure > at > > > > idle, mid-range, and WOT? Also, please verify that you set the fuel > > > > pressure with engine stopped and fuel pumps ON. What should the > > > > fuel initial fuel pressure be set at for our purposes? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com > 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding > Cables for your rotary installation - http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/ > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > ------=_Part_853_15848020.1180958762533 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I'll have to set the EC-2 and EM-2 manuals next to the bed for those nights when I can't sleep.
 
Actually, it really hadn't been a problem until I set my fp to 41psi.  Now it only flashes while the engine isn't running.  As soon as I start the engine, fp drops and the flashing quits.  I'm sure I could benefit from reading the manual a few dozen more times.  I'll have to put it in the pile with my EFIS manual and POH and FAR/AIM.  That should keep me busy until the year 2050.
 
Mark S.
 

 
On 6/3/07, Bob White <rlwhite@comcast.net> wrote:
The limits are programmable and you need to adjust them for your
situation.  Also, the calibration on your fuel pressure sensor could be
off and need to be set.  That whole procedure can be a little confusing
but it makes sense after reading the instructions 10 or 15 times and
doing 20 or 30 settings. :)  Some of the default settings on my EM2
had to be adjusted just to get the pressure sensors to read zero when
there was no pressure applied.

Bob W.

On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:31:34 -0500
"Mark Steitle" < msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ed,
>
> I have not changed any of the EM-2's factory warning settings.   So, I
> assumed that this is what Tracy programmed.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 6/3/07, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Mark, When you say the EM2 doesn't like it that high - isn't that because
> > of a warning limit you have set in it?  Or have left it at a default
> > setting?    I agree that if the fuel pressure should suddenly start showing
> > higher readings it could possibly indicate something like blockage in fuel
> > return from the pressure regulator or a filter getting plugged up, etc. So
> > its nice to have a warning on the high end.
> >
> > But, I find it difficult to believe that Tracy hard coded in a pressure of
> > 41 psi.   But 41 psi at high power setting and 35 at idle also seem quite in
> > the ball park.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Mark Steitle < msteitle@gmail.com>
> > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:02 PM
> > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: MAP Referenced Fuel Pressure Regulator
> >
> >
> > Ed,
> > Yes, 41 sounds reasonable, except the EM-2 doesn't like it that high.  It
> > flashes until the engine is started and the fp drops.  I adjusted my static
> > fuel pressure up to 41 psi today.  That initial setting now gives approx.
> > 34psi at idle.  FWIW
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > On 6/3/07, Ed Anderson < eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  Hi Mark,
> > >
> > > Yes, I can tell you, but doubt it will be too meaningful.
> > >
> > >  My regulator does have a reference to the manifold - but, this
> > > apparently only causes the pressure regulator to react to positive (boost)
> > >  manifold pressure  - in otherwords while under boost pressures the
> > > regulator will increase fuel flow to the injectors by increasing pressure. It
> > > apparently does not regulate the fuel pressure at normal manifold pressure
> > > ranges.
> > >
> > > But, in any case my pressure regulator keeps the fuel pressure at 41 psi
> > > with one pump on and it increases to 43 with both pumps on.  Again,changing
> > > manifold pressure does not affect my fuel pressure.
> > >
> > > I intend to swap it out (someday) for one that is a true manifold
> > > referenced regulator - but, sigh, just always seems to be something else to
> > > do - and it has worked for me for 10 years.  But, I could probably get an
> > > even smoother idle if I swapped it out.
> > >
> > >   I would say 41-43 psi would be a reasonable setting.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > >  ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > *From:* Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
> > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft < flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, June 02, 2007 8:25 PM
> > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] MAP Referenced Fuel Pressure Regulator
> > >
> > >
> > > Ed,
> > >
> > > Can you tell me what pressures you're seeing on your fuel pressure at
> > > idle, mid-range, and WOT?  Also, please verify that you set the fuel
> > > pressure with engine stopped and fuel pumps ON.  What should the
> > > fuel initial fuel pressure be set at for our purposes?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mark S.
> > >
> > >
> >
>


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