X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imf05aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.53] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTP id 2081616 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:48:50 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.53; envelope-from=ceengland@bellsouth.net Received: from ibm70aec.bellsouth.net ([209.215.63.5]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070603132403.DSMP6453.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm70aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:24:03 -0400 Received: from [209.215.63.5] by ibm70aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070603132402.OAWG13855.ibm70aec.bellsouth.net@[209.215.63.5]> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:24:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4662C0F0.7010501@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:24:00 -0500 From: Charlie England User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070222 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] RV-7a cooling - continued! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis Haverlah wrote: > I took out the first splitter/duct that was shown in my 5/27 posting > photo 1678. Cooling was than back to slightly marginal not critical! > > I than built a rig with 3 turning vanes to direct air into the radiator > near the front of the wedge. (See attached photos) I achieved about a > 16 deg. F drop in oil and water! This told me that most of the inlet > air was going through the radiator at the small end of the wedge. Bobby > Hughes said he had seen data indicating a wedge duct had the highest > pressure near the end of the wedge and lower pressure near the opening. > I now am considering modifying the lower cowl - inlet duct bottom -to > include a curved ramp to direct air upward over the first 30 - 40 % of > the radiator and than transition into a wedge the rest of the way back > to the trailing edge of the radiator. > > I have not found any information I feel comfortable to use to design the > curved ramp and may try to build a wind tunnel in the cowl on the plane. > I should be able to insert several ramps and wedge shapes in the test > area and measure air pressure on the back side of the radiator using a > sensitive manometer. I have two electric leaf blowers that may provide > enough air to run it. I'm planning on a 3 in wide x 4 in high inlet > size. Any comments or suggestions? > > Radiator to Duct Sealing: > My radiators are sealed to the duct with silicone baffle rubber strips > used on cowl-to-baffles on spam cans. I believe my seals are very > good. But - after several E mails concerning sealing the duct I looked > more closely at the total air flow sealing package. On the Griffin > radiator the fins between the tubes do not extend to the water tanks. > There is gap of 1/4 to 1/2 inch!! This is on both ends of the radiator. > The area of the holes is 0.375 in X 12.5 in X 2 ends = 9.375 sq in of > holes just in the one radiator! The Mazda oil cooler also has gaps but > they are only about 1/8 inch wide. I also found about 2 more sq. in of > other potential leaks I can fill using Leons light testl Thanks for > the info. to make me look harder at this area! If I get the wind > tunnel working I will first test with the holes and no ramp/wedge - fill > the holes and retest to determine how much the holes decrease the outlet > air pressure. > > Air Speed in Duct at Radiator: > The inlet duct is 51 sq. in. (per James Cowls) and expands to about > 17.25 X 8.5 inchs or 146 sq . in. at the start or forward end of the > radiator wedge. This gives a velocity of about 42 mph for the cooling > air at the front entrance of the wedge at the radiator at a climb speed > of 120 mph. The duct is a wedge from that point on the the rear of the > radiators. > Hi Dennis, The guys who are going really fast using air cooled Lycs are putting turning vanes & exit ducts *below* the cylinders. Now, back to the rotary. Others have noticed poor cooling performance when the back side of the radiator is too close to another surface. Apparently, if the air exits the core & 'hits a wall', it will tend to stop & create a higher pressure behind the rad, blocking flow. Combining the two above paragraphs, you might try turning vanes on the back side, to complement your entry vanes. It seems that almost everyone, both air & water cooled, is ignoring the exit side of the equation (except the guys who are going really fast). How many people have you heard talking about what's *after* the heat exchangers on a P-51? FWIW, Charlie